View Full Version : Our TeamSpeak Server HAS been Hacked!
{AFP}SolidSnake
08-02-2004, 06:41
I read up on this thread in the F.A.Q.'s Section before I'm posting here. http://www.teamspeak.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10806 (View Thread)
Unfortunatly I cannot give you all the information that you would like to at this moment. What Information that I do know is that The Server is running on a T1 Connection with Windows XP Operating System. It's not my server but I am a Regestered Server Administrator for it. We had an unregestered user by the name of "Aaron" (Could definetaly tell it was a younger boy's voice) who HAD server Adminstration rights. He entered our server (IP: 68.76.213.37) and said "Oh Look, I have adminstration rights here." He then revoked my server adminstration rights before I could his. (I'm pretty fast on the draw with TeamSpeak, allowing regrestration, Granting Server Admin, and whatnot, But this guy made me look slower than a turtle.) He took away everything; My regestration, Server Admin, Channel Admin where all gone. He then Erased all of our channels, and was VERY fast at doing this. I said "Hey can you give me my server admin back please, I need to fix something" He replyed "Yeah I'll give it to you, hang on" Then I was kicked. I tried to rejoin but I was banned, as well as 3 others that where in the server with me at the time. Luckly I had another Admin for the server that wasn't on the TeamSpeak but was on MSN and I filled him in on what this kid said and did.. He join the TS but Aaron was already gone. He unbanned me, and fixed me back up to my previous state. After I left, he told me that "Aaron" then came back and said the SAME thing... But he was ready for Aaron and banned him and got his ip: ***.***.***.***.
Our server has been reset and we are keeping our guard up a little more for something like this...
Sorry for the lack of Information on what you need to know.. The server's email address and MSN Messenger are: darkshadow73*********. I would greatly appricate some help on this and some information as to what can be done... that is.. IF anything can be done.
{AFP}SolidSnake
10-02-2004, 07:19
You guys even looking at this post?
1) DO NOT post any IP's here as IP's are directly related to one person and you could charge an innocent who got this IP at a later time.
=> I edited your post.
2) According the FAQ there is no hack for TS. BUT: if somone get access to the file system of the TS server PC, he then can easily extract the admin password from the server.dbs as it is currently in plain text (this should change as far as I kwno in the future).
=> so I recommand checking the server for trojans, ....
This post is no good :(
Without the logfiles making it clear what happened (or even more important what _didnt_ happen), this post neither helps us, nor you.
Oh and the part that you describe in detail is the one that is not interesting at all...Once somebody has ServerAdmin, he can do what he wants with you, he can also be quicker than lightning (think: automated usage of the SA rights [via tcpquery, or directly through the client, with the client SDK or similar]). The interesting part is, where one of you guys grants him SA...propably some time ago the attacker got SA by one of the two methods described in the FAQ thread.
Originally posted by {AFP}SolidSnake
I read up on this thread in the F.A.Q.'s Section before I'm posting here. http://www.teamspeak.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10806 (View Thread)
Unfortunatly I cannot give you all the information that you would like to at this moment. What Information that I do know is that The Server is running on a T1 Connection with Windows XP Operating System. It's not my server but I am a Regestered Server Administrator for it. We had an unregestered user by the name of "Aaron" (Could definetaly tell it was a younger boy's voice) who HAD server Adminstration rights. He entered our server (IP: 68.76.213.37) and said "Oh Look, I have adminstration rights here." He then revoked my server adminstration rights before I could his. (I'm pretty fast on the draw with TeamSpeak, allowing regrestration, Granting Server Admin, and whatnot, But this guy made me look slower than a turtle.) He took away everything; My regestration, Server Admin, Channel Admin where all gone. He then Erased all of our channels, and was VERY fast at doing this. I said "Hey can you give me my server admin back please, I need to fix something" He replyed "Yeah I'll give it to you, hang on" Then I was kicked. I tried to rejoin but I was banned, as well as 3 others that where in the server with me at the time. Luckly I had another Admin for the server that wasn't on the TeamSpeak but was on MSN and I filled him in on what this kid said and did.. He join the TS but Aaron was already gone. He unbanned me, and fixed me back up to my previous state. After I left, he told me that "Aaron" then came back and said the SAME thing... But he was ready for Aaron and banned him and got his ip: ***.***.***.***.
Our server has been reset and we are keeping our guard up a little more for something like this...
Sorry for the lack of Information on what you need to know.. The server's email address and MSN Messenger are: darkshadow73*********. I would greatly appricate some help on this and some information as to what can be done... that is.. IF anything can be done.
Jepp...same happed on our server today.....Oh Look, I have adminstration rights here.......:mad: And then all the channels was gone, and our team mates right's...mine to.......i'am a SA Admin on the server and he just delete my server right's away......:mad:
His name was @@@@@@@ U SA
Magic Power
27-03-2004, 15:43
1. NEVER tell anyone who doesn't need to know your password. ONLY those who need to know may see the password.
2. NEVER give passwords to anyone who cannot keep them secret (boasts about him admin rights, and how easy the pw is).
3. NEVER bluntly tell anyone else the password over insecure means, like in an email. Those can be read by others, especially if you keep your emails and use Windows :)
4. NEVER use a password that is easy to guess. (Dog's or girlfriends' name, name of Clan).
Magic Power
27-03-2004, 15:45
4. NEVER use a password that is easy to guess. (Dog's or girlfriends' name, name of Clan).
This btw is BY FAR the most important rule. You'ld be surprised how many people use their girlfriend's or dog's name or something else which is really easy to guess.
could you post your server.log ?
Shthappens78
28-03-2004, 21:55
It's funny how the Support Team and Developement Team are always saying that "There is no Hack for TeamSpeak", yet in the year and a half that I've been using it I've read more than 25 Posts like this one.
The best thing you can do to keep from being hacked, is to keep the server itself Password Protected and make it known to all that know the password to keep it from getting out. I've been running my server for over a year and have yet to see anyone on my servers that I don't know about.
gasxtreme
29-03-2004, 13:11
why or who gave him admin rights in the first place?? I mean, never give admin to somebody you don't personnally know..... jeez, I don't even trust some of my friends with the admin rights, so they get channel admin.... haha
-steve
It's funny how the Support Team and Developement Team are always saying that "There is no Hack for TeamSpeak", yet in the year and a half that I've been using it I've read more than 25 Posts like this one.
Only 25 posts in 1 1/2 years? And how many servers are there? 1000? 2000?
I'd say this amount doesn't mean there's a hack but rather people who don't have a sound security policy. If there really was an exploitable vulnerability we'd be looking at many more complaints.
pbarrette
30-03-2004, 20:37
Originally posted by Shthappens78
It's funny how the Support Team and Developement Team are always saying that "There is no Hack for TeamSpeak", yet in the year and a half that I've been using it I've read more than 25 Posts like this one.
And I think that it's just as telling that I haven't seen a single server log file posted in any of those threads. If these people really are getting hacked all the time, then why haven't I seen just 1 logfile for this, ever?
I'm not saying that there isn't a hack out there. The TS Devs aren't saying that they are 100% secure and safe. But there is an extremely simple, well documented exploit that involves tricking an admin into giving admin privs to a non-admin.
So, without seeing a solid, complete server log there's absolutely no way to determine if the "hack" is a true TS vulnerability, or just another stupid admin getting duped.
So.. You've been hacked? Where's my server log? Because without it, your story just sounds like another admin getting duped.
pb
loki1958
03-04-2004, 12:03
please review this post
http://www.teamspeak.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=52565#post52565
it shows how this hijacking can be done. ,,,, i think :)
hope this helps in finding a resolution to these miscreants hijacking peoples public TS servers
Thank you
Loki
Originally posted by Brain
Only 25 posts in 1 1/2 years? And how many servers are there? 1000? 2000?
I'd say this amount doesn't mean there's a hack but rather people who don't have a sound security policy. If there really was an exploitable vulnerability we'd be looking at many more complaints.
Currently we have about 25000 servers online (just checked), and about 600000 users using TeamSpeak per day...do the maths on 25 posts in 1 1/2 years...and not one decent server log.
Oh and of course the public server is running ever since, and has never been "hacked".
Dumptruck
04-04-2004, 05:52
errr
LOL
Dumptruck
04-04-2004, 05:57
Originally posted by pwk.linuxfan
Currently we have about 25000 servers online (just checked), and about 600000 users using TeamSpeak per day...do the maths on 25 posts in 1 1/2 years...and not one decent server log.
Oh and of course the public server is running ever since, and has never been "hacked".
I think you guys are right this dosen't sound like a hack sounds like bad security
I have been running a Clan TS server for about 9 months now and have never been hacked
but then again most people can't figure out how to even read the TS manuals how would they figure out how to hack TS
SatanClaus
04-04-2004, 12:12
Originally posted by loki1958
please review this post
http://www.teamspeak.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=52565#post52565
it shows how this hijacking can be done. ,,,, i think :)
hope this helps in finding a resolution to these miscreants hijacking peoples public TS servers
Thank you
Loki please re-read that post, i had to clarify a bit...
And sorry for the following but I'm just not a friend of beating around the bush and not telling what I think about such statements.
This is another example how people who don't know what they are talking about cause bad reputation as TeamSpeak is said to be hacked...
when doing such kind of a smear campaign against a normal company (even if it's unwanted and just because you didn't know what you were talking about) then you'd normally speak to a court...
still we don't want to go that way, as we're interested in security related stuff of our software... just that it needs evidence to accuse software of not being secure, as this is not your nooby-shoutbox for statements like "my ts-server has been hacked, there is a security hole in the server"... this is the official TeamSpeak forum and we expect qualified threads...
so please: put up evidence or shut up!
sorry if this thread affronted you, but it's just my opinion and that doesn't praise unqualified statements...
cu
SatanClaus
Photoman
23-04-2004, 03:11
I know there is hacking because i am a super admin and while talking a member i found someone had regesterd while i was talking to a member, But i was watching teamspeak and it never showed anyone come in but they showed up in the members list but not in the logs at all, is this not hacking.
pbarrette
23-04-2004, 17:50
Hi Photoman,
Log files.. They need complete, unadulterated log files..
There may well be some hack out there, but given the high number of servers and the low number of reported hacks, it's most likely a user end security issue.
If the developers are going to be able to find and fix a real hack, they need those log files.
Also, without providing log files, most people are going to assume that it is yet another end-user security mis-configuration.
pb
i can confim the hack....i have found it, and want to sent it to the crew teamspeak...but i cant find any email or something........:confused:
I dont want to attach the file to this post....you now what i mean with that.....admin, give me a pers..post....
Originally posted by Kelly's
i can confim the hack....i have found it, and want to sent it to the crew teamspeak...but i cant find any email or something........:confused:
I dont want to attach the file to this post....you now what i mean with that.....admin, give me a pers..post....
i guess you can send it to:
general@teamspeak.org
hey there!
PWK, there is nothing wrong with the passwords.
the guy really GOT hacked!
it happened to me to.
here is what happens.
1 guy logs in
he ask for registration.
i gave it.
at that time, he got SA!!!!
he uses this script above, and uses his credentials he just put in the reg screen.
at that time the dude has SA, deletes all channels, bans all admins & IP's
so, i tell you, THE HACK IS REAL!
1 thing i learned. NEVER give anyone REG, if you dont know him.
about posting IP's any-1 who has nothing to fear of, doesnt have problems of being posted here.
im my case it was fulop & Sebo here is SEBO's ip adress
kf-nawij-cb03-0318.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.225.63]
i send mail to their ISP.
thats my 2 cents
Sorry, I have no idea what script you're talking about. If you need an evaluation or second opinion you can send it to me: *forget about it, my server is running and that's all i care about. the rest of the world, especially the western hemisphere, can roast in hell for all i care*
i quote Satanclaus "so please: put up evidence or shut up!"
here is my attached log
for the NONBELIEVERS!
oh!
i just heard it all about a tool, which you put in your TS directory
somehow, when regged, it sets the user to SA.
so here it goes, and PLEASE dont start talking that i gave the guy serveradmin, COZ THAT ISNT SO!
eat me!
This one seems interesting:
22-06-04 15:57:59,ERROR,All,SQL, OpenSQL Error: database schema has changed in query: select * from ts2_clients where i_client_server_id = 1 and s_client_name = 'Diesel' and s_client_password= 'Diesel'
Also this is interesting:
22-06-04 15:52:52,ALL,Info,SALog, SID: 1 serveradmin granted by [Nick: satcom, LoginName: satcom, DBID: 3] for [Nick: fulop, LoginName: , DBID: 0]
This definitely doesn't look normal!
Could Teamspeak possibly be vulnerable to an SQL injection attack via login name? This would make sense.
This made me a bit suspicious... I'm going to tinker with my server now...
okay, so at least someone aknowledges the problem
thanx for checking the log so fast.
wow! i didnt lie eh? now leds make this thing waterthight.....
Again for ALL TS ADMINS, please DONT give REGISTRATION to EVERYBODY!
get to know your visitors FIRST!....
Well, the second one is clear now, it's what you get when you grant someone SA on TS who is an unregistered user.
But I still haven't figured out if there is a vulnerability that allows a SQL injection, also I don't know what the cause for the SQL error was.
i quote Satanclaus "so please: put up evidence or shut up!"
here is my attached log
for the NONBELIEVERS!
oh!
i just heard it all about a tool, which you put in your TS directory
somehow, when regged, it sets the user to SA.
so here it goes, and PLEASE dont start talking that i gave the guy serveradmin, COZ THAT ISNT SO!
eat me!
it sure looks very weird, is there nothing that happend between the gap?
there is 30 seconds missing.
22-06-04 15:52:17,ALL,Info,AccessLog, SID: 1 client connected [IP: 217.237.21.122, Nick: fulop, Version: 2.0.32.60]
22-06-04 15:52:28,ALL,Info,AccessLog, SID: 1 client connected [IP: 217.237.24.61, Nick: Sebo, Version: 2.0.32.60]
22-06-04 15:52:52,ALL,Info,SALog, SID: 1 serveradmin granted by [Nick: satcom, LoginName: satcom, DBID: 3] for [Nick: fulop, LoginName: , DBID: 0]
if there is nothing changed it might be that the sql command was incorrect, so when you granted him registration, you actually added him to the server admin group.
this only could be done when you actualy have access to the hard drive.
if i had access to the harddrive of a teamspeak server and changed in the file create_clients.sql
`b_client_privilege_serveradmin` int(11) default NULL,
to
`b_client_privilege_serveradmin` int(11) default -1,
every user who is registerd would be a server admin.
or when useing sqlite the file new_client.sql would have to be changed from:
insert into ts2_clients
(i_client_server_id,
b_client_privilege_serveradmin,
s_client_name,
s_client_password,
dt_client_created)
values
(:iServerID,
:bServerAdmin,
:sName,
:sPassword,
:dtCreated);
into:
insert into ts2_clients
(i_client_server_id,
b_client_privilege_serveradmin,
s_client_name,
s_client_password,
dt_client_created)
values
(:iServerID,
-1,
:sName,
:sPassword,
:dtCreated);
but if this is true, it would not have been an error in teamspeak.
you said, that a file need to be uploaded into the teamspeak directory of the target computer.
this is the fault of the user.. not teamspeak.
is your server directly connected to the internet?
do you use any hardware or at least software firewalls?
if he was unregistered then someone would of had to give him server admin rights after he got there
divezic.hrstud
29-06-2004, 14:50
I have teamspeak two and never been hacked.If hackers got into your teamspeak server just shut down the server,and turn it on again.P.S put password on the server and put some security options on server and i think thats it.
the server being used by friends of mine was hacked also today, and they were all banned and booted off the server...
we traced the IP to san jose ...to a compnay called SBC dial up and dsl services ....we have recorded conversations with the people doing this , we also have a screen shot of their Ts which they gave us, also we have the area zip code and phone number of the individual that was tampering with the servers,
this information has also been passed on to the san jose high tech crimes unit of the san jose police department.... when the individual was told on what we are doing and how much information we had on him he almost started crying and was pleeding to us to make friends lol and he appologised, we decided that as out Ts was on our game server which we pay for that the information should go to the police and the individuals parents dealt with along with any known associates
the information is as follows
internet service provider for the IP of the hacking individual
webhost SBC dial up and DSL services
http://public.pacbell.net/
IP address 64.166.159.78 this is probably for a dial up service which is why he is never banned
Hackers details so far ...full address will be posted soon
san jose CA 95051
Tel: 408 655 3706
hackers server IP 67.18.159.178:5380 go here and look at all the hacking chans they have created ..ull be surprised
yeah ok,, no hacks,, lol
These gents are pretty active at hacking public servers... keep your servers private!
www.*****.com <--- go visit them and tell me that TS is not being hacked...
yeah ok,, no hacks,, lol
These gents are pretty active at hacking public servers... keep your servers private!
www.*****.com <--- go visit them and tell me that TS is not being hacked...
ts is not being hacked your being tricked into giveing up (SA)rights becuse to many peps are puting up servers and dont know jack sh*t about computers as well as they dont read the ts manual that states dont use alt/p/e for it's a short cut to giveing out (SA) rights .. ie some one comes in the server and has (SA) behind ther name and says can you remove my (SA) i dont want to be a admin any more ! you go to remove their admin BUT you are giveing them it ... lol they never had it to start with , or they say i cant hear can you click my name and hit e for earphones also granting them (SA)
your not getting hacked your just unaware of what YOUR actions are granting !!
I just had a user that kept getting banned from his own server and I figured out how the guy was doing it. The server in question did not have a user password (and second time it happened his user password was very weak - his last name). Then somebody joined the server as anonymous user. The server had the anonymous priv PrivilegeRegisterSelfByDefault turn on. This means that user was able to register himself. Not a problem. But then he also had the Registered user priv PrivilegeAdminPlayerRegister turn on. That allows a registered user to make themselves a server admin! So you get a hacker that can register themselves as an admin and it takes two seconds. So it may be a pain, but I would not turn on that Anonymous priv PrivilegeRegisterSelfByDefault. Not unless you are not going to give your Registered users any privs as well.
Stefan Lehmiller
www.holdouts.com
ODB_CopyrightPhilly
29-08-2004, 19:44
i know its a c**t when people hack ours servers and delete channels and so on but i find a good way to stop then doing to much dammage is to copy server.ini and server.dbs from your server insalltion folder to another folder as bk up, do this somthing like once a week if u keep getting new people registeing or u made massave changes.
Doing that will make it so if u do get hacked then u just need to copy then 2 files back into the server folder and thats that, all bk to normal (more or less)
cheers, Philly
Orion Pax
29-08-2004, 20:51
You see.....the dev team is right. Its not the ACTUAL Team Speak Server program being hacked. Its the pc/server itself being hacked. Via netbios over tcp/ip. Basically loging into your machine with Internet Explorer across the internet and viewing your harddrive like they would their own hard drive.
Its like this
\\***.***.***.***\c$\program files\team speak\
you put that into your browser, then windows will ask you for user name and password. And walla...you can now view their hard drive contents. And since the database for Team Speak is in plain text they just copy it to their pc....get the user name and password.....log into your TS Server via web admin.....and grant themselves SA.
I connect to my other pc's on my network in the same fashion and I have access to my best friends pc the same way over the internet for repairing purposes.
They find your password/user name of the actual server/pc by using an IP scanner. At one time I tried to use to just to satisfy my curiosity over a year ago and you wouldnt believe how many people use such simple words for their passwords. I have a friend down here that thought his password was original. WRONG...I did a scan and showed him.....at least 10 others out of 1000 had used the same password.
USE A COMBINATION OF RANDOM NUMBERS/LETTERS for your passwords.....I do. And use a different password for each service.
That is your problem . . . Poor passwords on the admin accounts on the servers. Not team speak. Am I right Dev Team?
|67th|Cobra-Commande
03-01-2005, 04:06
well explain this to me how is it i can have 18 people on my teamspeak and they all start getting logged off. but they arent logging off its being done by someone or something else then when they log back in they get logged right back out its very strange any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated
MMmmGood
03-01-2005, 15:16
You see.....the dev team is right. Its not the ACTUAL Team Speak Server program being hacked. Its the pc/server itself being hacked. Via netbios over tcp/ip. Basically loging into your machine with Internet Explorer across the internet and viewing your harddrive like they would their own hard drive.
Its like this
\\***.***.***.***\c$\program files\team speak\
you put that into your browser, then windows will ask you for user name and password. And walla...you can now view their hard drive contents. And since the database for Team Speak is in plain text they just copy it to their pc....get the user name and password.....log into your TS Server via web admin.....and grant themselves SA.
I connect to my other pc's on my network in the same fashion and I have access to my best friends pc the same way over the internet for repairing purposes.
They find your password/user name of the actual server/pc by using an IP scanner. At one time I tried to use to just to satisfy my curiosity over a year ago and you wouldnt believe how many people use such simple words for their passwords. I have a friend down here that thought his password was original. WRONG...I did a scan and showed him.....at least 10 others out of 1000 had used the same password.
USE A COMBINATION OF RANDOM NUMBERS/LETTERS for your passwords.....I do. And use a different password for each service.
That is your problem . . . Poor passwords on the admin accounts on the servers. Not team speak. Am I right Dev Team?
No you are wrong.
There is a security breach somewhere in the program, but they havent been able to find it yet.
R. Ludwig
03-01-2005, 20:50
2004-12-31 19:24:11<ECGN|MMmmGood`l> alright, so where do i send the email?
2004-12-31 19:24:34<[TS]SatanClaus> do you have an exact description of how to
reproduce the bug?
2004-12-31 19:24:47<ECGN|MMmmGood`l> yessir
2004-12-31 19:24:54<[TS]SatanClaus> because that's what was missing in any of
such argumentations until now...
2004-12-31 19:25:02<ECGN|MMmmGood`l> ive done it myself
we are still waiting for that email, thanks.
R. Ludwig
03-01-2005, 21:01
That is your problem . . . Poor passwords on the admin accounts on the servers. Not team speak. Am I right Dev Team?
unti now no one was able to give us an working exploit, the hacks we was able to analyse was ALL faulted by the hoster or some fooled server admins.
{BL}GypsyAngel
01-11-2006, 05:39
I believe that the FTP server hack is very possible.
However, I think there is something everyone has overlooked. The good, old fashioned, brute-force hack. This can work on either the server or the TS service itself.
Having recently had my TS server highjacked, I've been looking at this very closely.
As far as I can tell (and please, TS staff, correct me if I am wrong), TS does not lock out accounts after x number of bad login tries. One could write a dummy admin page that uses a script to throw passwords at a target TS server until the correct password is found.
Time consuming, yes, but very effective. This is the same technique used to brute-force hack FTP, email, http, etc.
Is this a fault in the design of TS? No, not really. I don't think anyone really thinks of TS servers as a "desireable target." In that respect, I think TS has fairly good security.
If they want to ensure that the hacks are not against the TS service itself, they could have the server disable a registered user's login after a certain number of failed login attempts. Beyond that, I think that TS has designed a solid system.
Reedy Boy
01-11-2006, 09:31
I've had it once from n00b friends doing what a randomer asked them to
Unwittingly, they gave him admin rights
I have had it once happen at home, but we're not sure how... Probably something similar
The thing i'd like to know, is how these kiddies manage to change stuff on TS that aren't listed on the default... Such as change colours, backgrounds.....
kzSlaughter
17-03-2007, 21:29
We have had several dweebs hack into our TS server... they join and are not visible in the list, they join with illegal char. in there name so when you try to kick them you get an error and are unable to select there name to kick them... you ban them and they come right back... they create channels that the admin cant enter and cant be deleted... There are users out there that can join your server and do as they please and there is nothing an admin can do to stop them we have had to get out server reset twice now and if it happens again our clan will more than likely go back to Ventrilo for the simple reason its more secure...
Come on Devs fix this stuff... it real and its happening...
We have had several dweebs hack into our TS server... they join and are not visible in the list, they join with illegal char. in there name so when you try to kick them you get an error and are unable to select there name to kick them... you ban them and they come right back... they create channels that the admin cant enter and cant be deleted... There are users out there that can join your server and do as they please and there is nothing an admin can do to stop them we have had to get out server reset twice now and if it happens again our clan will more than likely go back to Ventrilo for the simple reason its more secure...
Come on Devs fix this stuff... it real and its happening...
What version are you running.
WolfStar76
18-03-2007, 19:15
they join with illegal char. in there name so when you try to kick them you get an error and are unable to select there name to kick them
<snip>
Come on Devs fix this stuff... it real and its happening...
And it's already been fixed (http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showthread.php?t=36039).
C'mon users! Update your servers! The fix is real and effective.
kzSlaughter
19-03-2007, 19:31
According to the company hosting our server we are running the latest release of Teamspeak. So I guess you all missed a few bugs or the hackers are smarter than the devs So how about offering some help WolfStar76 rather than the smart a$$ remarks...
P.S. BHKai we have server version, 2.0.20.1 and client version 2.0.32.60... I'll request an update to the beta version but most hosting companies dont like running software marked as beta
WolfStar76
19-03-2007, 22:03
According to the company hosting our server we are running the latest release of Teamspeak. So I guess you all missed a few bugs or the hackers are smarter than the devs So how about offering some help WolfStar76 rather than the smart a$$ remarks...
My apologies, you're obviously allowed to come in here and spout off that the devs aren't doing their job and be a smart alec, but we're not allowed to reply in kind. Oops, my bad.
P.S. BHKai we have server version, 2.0.20.1 and client version 2.0.32.60... I'll request an update to the beta version but most hosting companies dont like running software marked as beta
Well, technically TeamSpeak 2 is only a release candidate, which is like beta+. If you point them to any number of threads (like the one I linked) you'll see that the devs recommend running version 2.0.23.15.
But that's okay, you keep suggesting that they're not fixing things, while you use a host that runs old versions of software - or does pointing out a posters hypocrisy and uninformed posts make me a "smart@$$"?
kzSlaughter
19-03-2007, 22:54
Well, technically TeamSpeak 2 is only a release candidate, which is like beta+. If you point them to any number of threads (like the one I linked) you'll see that the devs recommend running version 2.0.23.15.
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Client Version 2.0.32.60 and Server Version 2.0.20.1 were officially released March, 2004 (not considered beta) so if as you put it "technically TeamSpeak 2 is only a release candidate" then its been a release candidate for 3 years. The current beta version was released January, 2007 and is still considered a beta. Most companies when releasing a beta version imply that it is either incomplete or not stable enough to use on a commercial level thus BETA VERSION... my earlier comments were asking the Devs to finish testing the beta version and stamp it as completed if it fixes my noted problems so that the commercial companies would upgrade and fix there users problems not to get slammed by someone like yourself... Hopefully you do not represent the developers of this application as your people skills need improvement.
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Client Version 2.0.32.60 and Server Version 2.0.20.1 were officially released March, 2004 (not considered beta) so if as you put it "technically TeamSpeak 2 is only a release candidate" then its been a release candidate for 3 years. The current beta version was released January, 2007 and is still considered a beta. Most companies when releasing a beta version imply that it is either incomplete or not stable enough to use on a commercial level thus BETA VERSION... my earlier comments were asking the Devs to finish testing the beta version and stamp it as completed if it fixes my noted problems so that the commercial companies would upgrade and fix there users problems not to get slammed by someone like yourself... Hopefully you do not represent the developers of this application as your people skills need improvement.
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People have been using the beta version and no one has had error yet because of it. The beta has more security fixes. Obviously the company is assuming and not confirming what the stability of the beta is.
The BETA versions are labeled BETA because there is no intensive testing before such a version is released. The BETA versions are designed to fix a particular problem, so we just check if this problem has been fixed and if there is any abnormal behavior. Due to several reasons, fixing a problem in TeamSpeak 2 often adds new problems which we can't find during this short testing period. In addition, we are not an Authorized TeamSpeak Host Provider so we can't test the software under normal hosting conditions.
We need ATHPs to test the BETA versions. And we then often receive feedback which makes us believe that it's better to keep the BETA label. Sometimes feature A stopped working or feature B suddenly shows weird behavior.
These issues, critical or not, have to be addressed before we can release a "stable" version.
WolfStar76
20-03-2007, 12:58
Client Version 2.0.32.60 and Server Version 2.0.20.1 were officially released March, 2004 (not considered beta) so if as you put it "technically TeamSpeak 2 is only a release candidate" then its been a release candidate for 3 years.
Bastian, who works for TeamSpeak (hence the "TeamSpeak Team" listing in his posts), said in this post
(http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showpost.php?p=151470&postcount=4) that yes, indeed, TeamSpeak 2 is still, after 3 years a release candidate.
If you look at your TeamSpeak shortcuts you'll see they read "TeamSpeak 2 RC2" also indicating that it's a release candidate.
The current beta version was released January, 2007 and is still considered a beta. Most companies when releasing a beta version imply that it is either incomplete or not stable enough to use on a commercial level thus BETA VERSION... my earlier comments were asking the Devs to finish testing the beta version and stamp it as completed if it fixes my noted problems so that the commercial companies would upgrade and fix there users problems not to get slammed by someone like yourself...
In the very post where ScP made the beta known he said, and I quote (http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showpost.php?p=152465&postcount=1), "Due to security and liability reasons we recommend the use of this version." This would be the same post I linked to you above when I said it was already fixed.
As for slamming people - you're the one that's been name calling. Not I.
Hopefully you do not represent the developers of this application as your people skills need improvement.
I can see why you don't like me. You posted with attitude - and I mimicked that attitude in my return reply. "C'mon users! Update your servers, etc etc etc". That's fine. Just realize that I was holding up a mirror to your own post.
I don't directly represent TeamSpeak. I volunteer my time here in these forums. However, I'd say the 4 (Scratch that - 5, seems people like this post) green blocks speaks far more of my reputation than the post of one person who comes on, posts inflammatory remarks, then lambastes anyone who reflects that same attitude back at them.
My apologies for continually countering your inflammatory remarks with quotes and facts. That must be really frustrating.
If you really think poorly of my posts, feel free to click on the scale under my avatar and "disapprove" of my post - that's how posters earn red or green blocks of reputation. I'm more than happy to take a hit for the harsh truths I've pointed out.
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