Obscene behavior

[green_faerie]

I was unlucky enough to join a MOHAA clan and purchase a headset to use along with TeamSpeak when playing with this clan. They were having an anniversary 'party' on their server a couple of days ago. When I joined I found that all of the individuals that were in the TeamSpeak server were taking part in some extremely obscene behavior. The 'leader' of this clan was apparently conducting the festivities along with some accessories which were not computer related. Is this allowed? I guess I will have to be more discerning in the future regarding the people I choose to spend my time with.

Just looking for some advice.

[luke9511]

yea join a new clan u can join this one www.darkjedi.org/club/TAD/enlist and if u do put luke9511 as ur recruiter

[green_faerie]

Thanks for the invite. I will take a look when I get the chance but now I have to ask if your clan takes part in activities of this nature. Sorry but that other group has me all skittish now.

Thanks again.

[Peter]

rotflmao !

are you sure they were not just kidding you ? :D

[luke9511]

no they do not which is good,but if they did then the higher ups in the club would do something about it

[Rob_B]

Without sounding dumb. What kind of obscene behaviours can you do on teamspeak apart from burping and farting down the microphone ? :confused:

Rob.

[green_faerie]

Yes I am positive they were not kidding me. The group leader is a woman who apparently likes to.... perform for the men in the group over teamspeak while they are playing the game. Burping and farting I would not be offending by. If I wanted porn chat I would go find one. I was interested in playing a game only to find that everyone in that group is obsessed with sex. If my 13 year old son had gone into that room instead of me, I would be talking to a lawyer right now to see if there was anything I could legally do to take care of this. This is a very sad group of individuals who obviously cannot experience a healthy relationship in real life and have therefore turned to this woman for their jollies. I find it disgusting.

I really do want to know if this is allowed. Shouldn't the host have to declare the room is adult if this kind of activity is going on?

[luke9511]

yes i think so

[Brain]

In general Internet is not a law-free space...

If you plan to deliver adult content you need to
a) mark it accordingly
b) check the audience (age) in order to
c) prevent access to children

This should also hold true in the USA where everything is possible, whether you moan and scream into your mic or perform a life strip show.

[green_faerie]

You guys have been great. Thanks for all the info. I am glad to see there are others who find this inappropriate. Now, how do I report this to the TeamSpeak 'team' if you will? I can't seem to find a way to do that.

[Brain]

Well, you posted on the forum, chances are good they read it.

Now, what do you expect them to do?

[green_faerie]

An indication that they were prepared to do something about it would be plenty.

An indication that they would like to speak directly to the person who does own the server would also be great, however, I do not expect them to tell me if/when they contacted the owner.

All I want is acknowledgement of the problem and their word that they are taking care of it. Doesn't seem to me like I'm asking too much. I've got the server IP if they want it. All they have to do is ask.

[Brain]

What do you think someone from Europe can do in the USA?

Why would it help if they spoke to the people who own that particular server?


After all, everybody is responsible for what they do on a Teamspeak Server and with the Teamspeak Server they operate.

How about YOU - the person who is directly affected - are going to have a serious conversation with the people in charge of this particular server instead of someone from another country and another continent who isn't involved at all? That way your case would have more weight, wouldn't it?

[Peter]

Hmmm,

well, I don`t really think it is the TeamSpeak teams business what people do on their servers. I mean: if somebody does car races all night in your neighbourhood, you don`t phone Mercedes about it, do you ?

[-[BBD]-MotherFo]

wow I almost got in trouble for laughing out loud in class lol man that's some funny stuff yeah buddy talk to this little lady of love and the squad leader as the other guys said and then find a new clan

[RS|Phil]

Originally posted by green_faerie
I would be talking to a lawyer right now to see if there was anything I could legally do to take care of this.

Sorry if I offend anyone here, but that's so typically American.

"I don't understand/agree/like something so I'll sue. That'll make things right."


To be honest you'll almost certainly find a paragraph in the legalise you have to click "I accept" to when you install TS2 that very clearly states no one and no thing you hear whilst using this can be held accountable to anyone.

You do connect at your own risk. If you hear some lass frigging herself and it offends you, it's your own fault for connecting.

Legally.

Me? I'd consider it a bonus tbh.

[green_faerie]

Thanks for your manly opinion mr european. It's people like you that make people like me trust no one on the internet. That's a shame if you ask me.

[Mick]

ROFL


This is killing me....

Who the Frick cares if they were doing something you didn't like on TS.. DISCONNECT if it offends you.

TBH... what clan was this? is the leader chick hot? sounds like fun I wanna join! ;-)


j/k

[SatanClaus]

I hope - for yourself - you never come to germany and find what ads are in TV at this time (1 am) ... you'd die if you were disgusted by such a weak act already ;)

still I can only repeat what Peter already stated: TeamSpeak isn't responsible for anything one of the users transmits. That's the classic kitchen-knife manufacturer analogy. Shall the manufacturer be held responsible for murderers taking his knifes to kill people? Or shall he unsharpen them? That makes no sense...
The same in this case. TeamSpeak can't just easily include some kind of technic that blocks adult only content. So the server-provider is liable for the things that happen on his server. Still he can't monitor such things all the time, but as soon as you tell him that you witnessed such things, you can expect him to take measures. All information which is needed for those measures are provided by the TS server already (if the logs are configured correctly).

So you can see that we already did everything possible - seen from a legal aspect. Still I myself as a German don't see any reason behind this... I really have to laugh about such things as it's another part in the Janet Jackson story ;) We would sort of think "hey, this is a nice extra, some nice pictures for free..." but nooooo, you're in the USA, you can't just say "yupp, nice breast" (while that's what actually all of you thought)... sort of ridiculous, isn't it? Even for your children... some seconds of extra lessons in anatomy.

Think about my words... and if you really still desire it, be sure I'll go to that server for you and talk with that woman.

cu
SatanClaus

[green_faerie]

Ok let me restate since my question seems to have been misinterpreted. All I want to know is are the server owners required to place in the title or another prominent area that the contents of the chat you are about to join may indeed be of an adult nature? I am not saying that the chats need to be blocked. I am saying I should not have to go into the chat to find out that this is going on. I'm sorry if my american opinions are offending any international users. I am also not saying that I am offended by everything that is related to sex. I did say if i want Porn I can log into an Adult website where I have verified my age and then take part in that behavior if I want to. Please read the question again if you are confused.

[Peter]

Originally posted by green_faerie
All I want to know is are the server owners required to place in the title or another prominent area that the contents of the chat you are about to join may indeed be of an adult nature?

This is a question that probably depends on the country the server is hosted at, and the local law. I would guess that many countries have laws for the protection of youth, that will ask people that supply sex related content to verify the age of the people consuming this content.
So, if you realy want to know if they should have verified age, and put a notice that it was sex related etc., then you should find out where the server is located (because that countries law will probably apply), and then ask a lawyer that knows the laws of that country...

[Brain]

Smut or satire? (http://www.tagesschau.de/bildstrecken/0,1203,OID2951018_IMG2951716_POS13,00.html)
A picture of the political Karneval in Düsseldorf.
Here it is satire. Children are allowed to see the tiny genitals of Germany's prime chancellor. I'll take any bet no little kid pointed at that mock statue of Schröder and asked "what is that?".
By the way, don't click that link if you
- are easily offended by political satire
- are easily offended by viewing tiny genitals
- love Schröder
- cry easily
- have a cold
- are not from Europe
- hate cats
- smoke cigars
- are married to a child of your mother-in-law

[-[BBD]-MotherFo]

I believe you said your son was 13 btw when i was 13 that was the only kinda stuff that was on my mind lmfao and it still is 4 years later he's gonna grow up eventually and hes either gonna learn stuff from his friends or from movies or from you so not to be mean but




It ain't no big thang lol ;)

[green_faerie]

Thank you pwk.linuxfan for the advice it is very much appreciated. Thanks to everyone else who provided me wiwth helpful information as well. Oh and to whoever posted that last comment, yes I realize my son is growing up faster than I would want. I would rather he not learn about loveless pathetic relationships from a woman who cannot keep her clothes on for long enough to even take a picture for her yahoo profile. I would rather he learn about sex in a more loving atmosphere.

[-[BBD]-MotherFo]

Yeah I can completely see your point good luck and hopefully you'll find a clan/squad that will meet both you and your sons needs adios :D

[Right On]

See, it is not the question that offends people, it is the reasoning and motivation behind it...

In my humble opinion, not a single reply stated that the writer though the situation you described as inappropriate, they just said they understood (maybe not even that...) why someone would be offended en what they would do...

As you maybe can read between the lines, noboady would do a damn thing...
Why? We Europeans, as you yourself quite degradingly put, are simpley not easy to offend, and even if we are offended, we take it as a part of life, where it is all a game of give a little and take a little...

The problem with your 'problem' (what can I do about something I have no business interfering with in the first place),
is just that... You have no business interfering with it...

According to you, (or the advise you seek), if I walk by your house and see you play football, and I really dislike football, I should go to the boss of your village or county or whatever, and have them do whatever they need to do to stop you...

And on a final note, something happened, which probably made your 'case' here a bit harder to win...

Some of your somewhat less personally responsible countrymen decided to sue MacDonalds for being too heavy....
Now I don't want to speak for everyone, but personally, that just ticks me off...

And it is the so much the act itself, but the attitude of your people in general...
Something is not going well, and in reality it would be considerred my own fault, but because we (the people who put into practice what I am describing here) are fairly weak of mind and wish not to face reality, I have some lawyer talk me into sueing someone, so I can officially make it not my fault....

Man, you guys are so lame.... And I am not mad or anything, just really really really disappointed...
Always talking about being a great country and in the end, it all turns out to be utter crap...

You know...? Shame on you...

PS:
Oh yeah... In your second-last reply, you are talking about something that was nót in your starting message, so softing up at the last minute is a bit too obvious.... We are European afterall... a bit more down to earth perhaps...

PPS:
In your third reply you said it right... 'I would be talking to a lawyer right now'... For what? Being non-consistent in your logic?

Porn everywhere, even in those popups that lurk everywhere, but never mind that, my son can handle that.... But when using German software ( a tad harder to find if you live in the States I think), I let my kid do what ever he wants.... that makes sense...

And seeing how ofter it is requested, please post the name of the channel and were you found it...
See, I have a feeling that it was to be suspected what could be found in that channel...

But, don't feel mistrusting about everyone now, even if we don't agree....
Just do your homework a bit better and check into things before...


PPPS:

I do find the story a bit contradicting... If were so offended by something, I would've left immediately.. Subsequently, I could tell you no more then that I was very offended... You know why? Because I wouldn't stay long enough to hear what was really going on... Ergo, some part of, possibly subconcious, wanted to go on listening...
Then, some woman masturbating when other people are playing an online game... No, perchance you are not a gamer yourself, but if i were to be involved in an online gaming event, I would consider a woman do her thing highly annoying... As would most men who were engaged in the said online gaming event...
gamers are that way.. Call us crazy...

So to summarize it, according to me (Don't you just love free speech!)... A highly unlike, and even if true, a pitiful story at best....

God speed on the rest of your life, and may the evil demons of Life take it easy on you...

[croooowe]

a teamspeak server is subject to the rules and regs of the person or persons who run that server, possibly subject to the laws governing the country that server is in. anyone logging onto a server of any type (TS or otherwise) should try to locate (even if only stated verbally) the rules and regs of that server before logging on to know what to expect. if you fail to do so or if you are unable to find any rules be prepared to expect anything. if you failed to establish what was to be expected before YOU LOGGED ON (ie-you established contact) then there is no one to blame or hold accountable. if a server's rules state that lewd or obscene behavior is prohibited and you find it then you should report that behavior to the server admin immediately. it would be nice if everything anyone might find unacceptable was labeled for you before you tried it, but it's not a perfect world so tread carefully and at your own risk, especially in this rarely filtered cyber world.

[Brain]

... and if everything else fails, blame Canada ;)

[croooowe]

well, now that you mention it, it IS their fault...

[heven]

I find you all very funny

One thing you overlooked was that many of the people who use teamspeak are 18 or younger...also most males of any age love to look at naked ladies. I am no diffrent and although it may offend this man, i would have stayed a while during that party (Free porn)

also one very angery german (i think) seemed disgusted with the american way of life, saying oo they think there so great. News flash buddy "every one thinks there country is the best. Im from Canada and i would i have it no other way.

Every one needs to clam down and look at the situation fromthis mans point of veiw. If u live in counrty ware your fine with your kids watchin porn...GREAT... more power to yah..but this man is unhappy about it...you guys drilled him so hard he probly is mad at you and you the porn (that im sure he hated to have to watch)

Buddy im on your side...but with the internet being what it is you kid and look at as much porn as he wants. maby instead of goin to lawyers and sueing people u just need to sit down and have a heart to heart with the boy.

from
Heven is a place in my pants
COD nick name

[heven]

and 1 more thing

thx to pwk.linuxfan who is the only one tryin to help this guy

[croooowe]

obviously you have an understanding of the internet heven so you know what the problem is but l think you're missing the point about helping this guy, in that there really is no helping him. yes, most everyone's replies were at best unhelpful, and some a lot less than that, but he ended up asking for action that (regardless of what transpired) is no one but the teamspeaker server admin's responsibility, and certainly not the responsibility of the teamspeak team. that sort of naivete thinking combined with the attitude that someone else is ultimately responsible for his teamspeak experience was deemed by many to be worthy of some public jabs.

yes it sucks if one is on some random teamspeak server and is exposed to (insert some offensive behavior here) that one finds offensive and unsuitable for oneself and one's child, HOWEVER, one does not go seek out people who have absolutely nothing to do with running that server to report on it or ask for intervention. one should delete that server from one's list and move on being the wiser from the experience.

and as for the responses, though l may not feel it productive to take the shots at this guy that others here have l am certainly aware of the the reality that if you make a post in a public forum, regardless of it's value or seriousness, you set yourself up to be bombarded by everyone else's opinions, evaluations, and criticisims.

and he was.

[heven]

That is bull shit (sorry)

You shoyld be able to post your oppion with out people makin fun you, your belifes, and your country.

Sure your open to it by posting messages, but just because people can do it doesnt make it right, americans can own guns but that isnt right (in my oppinion)

Im not tryin to start a fight i would just like to say that this man had (or has) an hounest problem that he would like to see dealt with , and instead of people responding to him in a courtious manner about him not being able to solve him problem, he was made fun of. Maby my belifes are diffrent being Canadaian and all but here you dont make fun of some one who has a problem and is seeking help (with very few exeptions)

In my oppion all this man wanted was a situation to be resolved (and being american his way was to be mad and seek legal attion)

To sum up, i see many forums here that are about people who need help with there comps and this program (teamspeak) and they are all met with very hepful and polite responses from people who can help them. This man must have seen how helpful people are on this site and therefore asked for that help and in return got basicaly nothin but a big slap in the face (a very hard slap in the face)

But look at me now. Im worked up and mad and so i will end with this....

If you have nothing helpful to say please dont say anyhting at all

Hevan is a place in my pants
Call of duty nice name

[Brain]

Why are you trying to artifically pump this up anyways?

First of all this thread stayed on track quite long, green fairy got his answers and he was treated normally by the TS support team, even linuxfan ;)
SatanClaus even offered to talk to the people on that particular server.

Things only started to turn sour after some <10 posters started running their mouths. There are always these kinds of people who enjoy rubbing prejudices in, like the American's preference to not think for themselves, the French being cowards, Dutch hoarding cheese, Germans being cupboard-nazis etc. These <10 post accounts might even have been other people from this forum who created a second account just to flame people, but unless they weren't diligent you could find out by cross-referencing IP addresses.

Anyways, you shouldn't put much stock in such posts, just ignore them.
Replying to those just gives the guy who started it the satisfaction of attention.


Apart from that, if somebody came running here crying "Oh, they're so mean to me on TS, do something against it, you're the developers!" he would get the equivalent of an in-your-face laughing fit of mine, regardless of his country of origin.

[heven]

I am not pondering what you are pondering. I have made point. I think it is a very clear one. I will not get in any public argument about it. So people think its funny to make fun of people and start trouble on these sites, then i say "GET A LIFE" im on the internet for maby an hour or two a day, mainly to help people with tech problems cause thats what i know, Making fun of people is not somthing i do or put with. I take it seriously when people ask for help, and if i can not help I try to make sure they find some1 who can.

For these of who like to come here and piss people off, i cant stop you, but pls stop your self because I know that if your life is all about sitting on your comp skipping around trying piss people off then your life is a pathetic one, no matter who you are or ware live...It just isnt cool

Heven is a place in my pants
COD nick name

[Brain]

Hmm... I'm getting the idea you may be one of the <10 posters...

[croooowe]

no one immediately replied in a mean manner to green just as all posts in this forum are initially met with politeness. it doesn't take a genius to figure out, if your posting shows a complete lack of understanding and the understanding never comes or you just don't get it then the thread will eventually turn sour. which it did right about the time that green asked someone to go have a talk with the folks that run some random teamspeak server out on the web. go figure.
go to some of the other threads and read for yourself, even the boneheaded "help my teamspeak is not working" posts are initially met with an even tone response despite the posters laziness in posting the real problem and or not reading the forum rules. but how the thread progresses from there affects the response of the readers. this thread was fine until the the guy's expectations of the teamspeak team got silly, at which point the readers laughed. and most of the politeness deteriorated.
so you find this behavior annoying but it's a lousy fact of life. good luck changing it...

l suppose that every thread that starts this way should have an intial reply of a disclaimer stating the obvious fact that when you load any software you are on your own where ever and how ever you choose to use it. then everyone can post suggestions (as they did) and hope that the person who started the thread will "get it" and leave it at that.

[heven]

clap clap clap.....well put....your right im wronge leave it at that.... my hopes for polite people will never happen...i know this...

Im sorry for wasting so much good space on this forum

Heven is a plave in my pants

Agreeing to what u are pondering

[[CAD]Grounder]

lol. thats pretty funny. look, i agree they should post some sort of msg, like "Dont enter if ur offended by adult material." or sumthin to that effect. but hey, they pay for that server, so, like, if u pay to rent a hall, to have a party, and u swear, and have adult activities there, neone who sees all of that by walkin in shouldnt be able to complain about whats goin on in there. what he should be able to complain about, is that nobody SAID nethin about whats goin on in there. thats all. what they do in there is their own bussiness, only that they should warn ppl about whats happening in the room. u get what im sayin? thou, still, i agree with u, to a degree.

[[CAD]Grounder]

and besides, WTF(!!!) does being canadian, or dutch, german, french, or british have to do with NEthing??

[[CAD]Grounder]

Oh, ppl, one more thing. this is totaly unrelated, but i really need help, plz! i posted a thread about the videos i recorded in AA not workin, plz someone answer, i really want them to work, plz plz. and im really sorry for doing this, asking ppl to reply my threat on another, unrelated threat. thnk u for ur understanding (i hope u do understand, or will atleast tolereate me.)

[-[BBD]-MotherFo]

NOOOOOOBTASTIC hey buddy boy this is teamspeak not aao if you want help with videos go to www.aaotracker.com and check their forums and also use the fraps program to record and btw what in the hell are you thinking thats how you get yourself banned

[LOAM]

it never ceases to amaze me, just cause its the net, out goes any form of respect. Would you run upto some one on the street and but into their conversation with some random question? No, so dont do it here. the reason you havent got many replies to your post is because it has no relevance to a TS forum, be thankfull of the repies that you have recieved.
LOAM