TeamSpeak VoyeUR Beta 0.93.2 [Archive] - TeamSpeak Community Forums

patag

31-07-2004, 21:32

I'm pleased to announce that TeamSpeak VoyeUR is nearing version 1.0.

TeamSpeak VoyeUR is a Flash application that consumes a XML feed detailing a specific instance of TeamSpeak. It will display server information, channel information, and player information. The interface is skinnable via a simple XML file and it allows players to connect to the server listed. TeamSpeak VoyeUR uses TCPQuery to gather the server information.

A simple demo is detailed here:

http://patag.universalrealms.com/ts.htm (This example uses TeamSpeak's Beta 3 Server)

The next example shows how TeamSpeak VoyeUR can be integrated into a web site:

http://preview.universalrealms.com

Feedback would be appreciated!

slankerric

14-08-2004, 00:22

Where can I download this at? I love it.

N3NCY

14-08-2004, 18:02

Where can I get Voyeur? :)

R. Ludwig

14-08-2004, 18:21

nice one, good work peeps!

patag

18-08-2004, 05:09

Thanks for the positive feedback! We are in the process of getting the application ready for release. Since I have to host a server to gather the information for a specific TS server, there will be a small annual fee required for use.

Once again, when I have more details, I'll post here.

Bastian

18-08-2004, 08:20

See image attached to this post. This is how it looks in Firefox 0.8.

By the way: When I open this page it disconnects my TS session.

patag

18-08-2004, 21:33

See image attached to this post. This is how it looks in Firefox 0.8.

By the way: When I open this page it disconnects my TS session.

I'm using Firefox 0.9.2 and I'm not having that problem. I'm also not getting disconnected when I run it. Anyone else having the same issues?

N3NCY

18-08-2004, 21:48

patag

18-08-2004, 23:09

Dear Patag,

I can understand you charging a fee.
I have my own servers.
I would be interested in purchasing a single server license, not an anual fee.
Please consider the stand-alone purchase as an option.
No source code. You could also charge for upgrades.

In any case, I don't mind a fee for good software...
But I (like some others with servers) would like to own my copy.
You could have two versions.
1.) A Subscription Version
2.) A Stand Alone Version

Just a thought, let us know...

Thank you,

Ernie

We will be taking that into consideration. The application will be broken up into two functional pieces.

1- A web service that will build the XML data
2- A flash interface to display the data

The idea right now is we offer access to just the flash portion of our application and we host the part that builds the XML. The web service is written in .NET, so if we sold that solution also, you would have to be running on a Windows Server with the .NET framework.

Thanks for the feedback and I'll see what we can do.

Bastian

07-09-2004, 15:59

Same problem after update to Firefox 0.9.3 (German Translation) on Windows XP

K9Trooper

08-09-2004, 16:37

Not to sound like an a$$ or anything but why not create it so people can host it on their own and distribute it for free?

All you people work hard on these things and deserve a world of credit, but when you start to charge money for a very minimal service for program that is free (For the most part)... I don't get it. It is a very nice program you got there Patag and years away from anything I could even dream of making but to charg for it? Gryphon does not charge for his webpost, Brain didn't charge for his (Ashame some jerk stole it).

To say the fee is to pay for the cost of you running the server, well have you put any thought in how many links you can handle and what your bandwidth usage will be in a month? It's possible the fees may be bigger than you think.

I don't know, I just feel it would be nice if you could make a release that people could host on their own. Very, very nice though. The colors are a little bright, my taste goes more to the darker side for colors (Black, Dk Blues and such).

Altaric

12-09-2004, 10:17

if you place a fee (one time or anual) who the hell will be interesed ? and you'll have worked hard for .. nothing that's what i think ...

N3NCY

12-09-2004, 16:35

Patag,

I run multiple servers, and of course like a real man:
1.) One of my servers is a Windows 2003 .NET Powered Server
2.) I do not ask for a FREE ride

A one-time fee for both Server-side .NET XML Code and Client-side Flash code is what I am requesting for my site. I am not looking to sell, redistribute or otherwise, I would be interested only in a single server (unlimited client) license for my server.

In response to the begger community:
FREE Open Source applications are great if the creator desires it.
Every once in a while, these software developers may want to make just a little bit of cash for things like food and gas money. Consider this fact before your pimpled face decides to bitch about not getting another FREE RIDE.

N3NCY

dsc_chris

13-09-2004, 16:53

I agree with N3NCY, A software developer works hard to get things to work right and deserves to charge for his/her software if they so please. Honestly I love the idea going on here and wouldnt mind paying a fee big or small as flash does take a bit of skills to actually work with. And the whole using an "existing free software" idea is not being thrown out, he/she is utiliziing the tcpquery idea to get the information :) Ya I know I am confusing, sorry :)

K9Trooper

13-09-2004, 17:06

Then if he is going to make money off of TS, he should be paying a fee to TS as well. It is their program that he coded it for. TS charges people that want to lease out their servers, why should this be different? In the end you are finding a way to profit off of TS without having to pay TS.

To call us a beggar community is wrong and insulting. I have a Win2K3 box and run several TS servers on it. I do not make a dime off of any of them.

dsc_chris

13-09-2004, 17:14

This is true the program is owned by TeamSpeak and TeamSpeak charges users who want to make a profit off of their server software. How is this the same for someone who creates software which interacts with teamspeak. It is like mIRC in a way but reverse the IRC server software is open source and anyone can start a server free of charge. But the developer of a very popular irc client called mIRC asks you pay after a trial period to use his software yet he doesnt FORCE you to pay. So why should someone have to "pay" to write a script if your so concerned about him not having to pay a license fee for writing a script for a program then why not learn how to write it yourself? I do believe no where in the teamspeak license agreement does it say you cant create a third party peice of software to interact with their software and charge for it. If I am mistaken please do show me the license agreement with that information bolded.

K9Trooper

13-09-2004, 19:23

You can still use the client even after the trial expires. It doesn't stop working.

My issue is that no one else is doing this and it may as well open a flood gate for everyone else. Pretty soon every admin aid or 3rd party toy will require a fee because someone else did it. Remember a small amount of people here know how to program and code. The majority of us do not. It's not that I am a "Begger" as someone rudely puts it.

What if we try it and decide we don't like it or the volume of its use is to low to justify the cost? Well then we are out a couple of bucks or more. I run my own website, servers and TS servers and a lot of us do. Why should we pay more for 3rd party programs for a program we got for free and have the resources to host it our selves?

You can say that I don't need to use his then and that is fine, but like I said this is going to open a "Pandora's Box" for all future scripts here.

Brain

13-09-2004, 19:44

Why should 3rd party addons be free? Prominent example are Flight Simulator
addons, that's what you invest most of your money in if you're a FS enthusiast.

You know, that "free" thing doesn't work. If something doesn't cost anything, not even a one-time fee, people think it's worth nothing (open source, free software, meaning of the word "free" in the english language).

If someone decides to demand a small fee then let him. After all, we live in a capitalistic world ;)

Anyways, I can't follow your reasoning K9, please explain in simple words why you're eligible for a free lunch?

K9Trooper

13-09-2004, 19:55

Don't you already pay for the FS? So all add-ons are expected to be paid for.

Funny. I just thought of something. Many people bitch about M$ charging a lot of money for their crap and say go to Linux because it is free and more secure. How did the Linux people react to Sun (Think it was them) and it's Redhat? How did the Linux people feel about a Linux program costing 100's of dollars?

Now how would you feel if you ran Linux and someone made a plugin (For lack of a better term) for it and started charging money for it?

As for the "Free lunch". I got free meals for 8 years... US Army :P (Wait that wasn't free. It cost me 8 years of freedom but proud of it. :P )

Brain

13-09-2004, 21:49

Now how would you feel if you ran Linux and someone made a plugin (For lack of a better term) for it and started charging money for it?
That would depend on the program. If it's worth the money and I needed it I'd buy it. If it was too expensive and the complexity of the program within the workload restraints for one programmer (= me) I'd write my own.
"Free software" doesn't mean it's "Software for freeloaders" :)

Oh, before I forget it, there's actually more freeware for the FS than payware. However often the freeware is not as good as the payware, in some cases it's the other way round and there are a few select payware addons that are really worth their money because they're superb, for example German Airports 1 to 4, the Dreamfleet 737, PMDG 737, Captain Sim Legendary 727 or the German Airwings 2004 Professional package.
And there's the occasional freeware product that exceeds any other payware on the market in complexity and detail, like for example the Tu-154 from Project Tupolev.

dsc_chris

13-09-2004, 22:30

Perfect you couldnt explain that better Brain. Thats exactly what I wanted to explain as well. People make addons they spend time coding it, if they feel they want to sell the addon then so be it, if they wanted to release the addon to an "Open Source" community great. Take modernbill.com for example this software does everything to handle billing with third party companies like paypal, and authorize.net, Why buy that software when paypal already has its own FREE shopping cart? Why because the software is much more advanced and the company selling it has spent alot of time and possibly money into creating it. Granted you dont need really any money to put together php scripts all the utilities are out there for FREE of course, But the developers of those free utilities expect other people to use them in a profit situation. They get their means of money one way or another. Agreeing with Brain, Free doesnt always mean better some things in life you just have to pay for!

Gryphon

15-09-2004, 02:58

K9Trooper,

If I wrote a program that is required to be used on Linux, since linux is free, should my hours of coding, the bandwidth in hosting the downloads, and so on all be free?

Should teamspeak stop selling software licenses for their linux version?

Just because something was made to interact with something that is free, doesn't mean that it should be free too. Why should anyone spend hours making anything for you?

What do you have that you would like to offer for free?

I swear, some people.

patag

16-09-2004, 22:07

Wow, K9Trooper, you really want something for free, don't you! :)

Have you read the EULA for TeamSpeak? In most cases, TeamSpeak is not free, only within certain cases is it free. But the developers behind TeamSpeak have decided that they have bigger issues to consider and are not chasing after the abusers of their software. Kudos to TS devs for not being anal.

I hope that my above statement helps clarify to you that TS isn't free like you quickly assume. If you are looking for a free application that will show you who is on your TS server, there are several scripts on these forums that will do just that. If you want one that was written and will be maintained by professional developers, perhaps my solution is what you want.

I wrote my application for fun at first, but then I thought that a larger audience might be interested in it. Since my application is tiered and not a lot of people have full access to a .NET enabled Windows Server, I decided that I'd host the core code that genereated the XML data that would be consumed by the Flash interface. I decided on .NET because that's what I know and Flash because it is much easier to implement and much easier on the eyes.

N3NCY has the infrastructure that would allow him/her to host everything on their end. I wouldn't have to worry about bandwidth / hosting fees, which means I just have to think about what type of menu will I offer with regard to TS Voyeur.

I'm glad that Gryphon posted here. He wrote a great program with gllcTS2. But if you go to his web site you'll notice a small Paypal button on the bottom of the screen asking for a donation. Gryphon, have you made enough off of donation to buy a cup of coffee? Maybe, maybe not. In the end each developer has the right to choose how they want to market their creations.

I'm not quitting my day job to sell TSV, trust me I know not that many people are willing to pay for it. But those that do will get my promise that I'll keep working on it and making it better over time. If that isn't worth $20 bucks to you thats fine with me.

K9Trooper, I hope that helps you better understand my decisions and that you can see my point of view. As a potential buyer, you can speak by not purchasing...

Gryphon

16-09-2004, 23:08

Gryphon, have you made enough off of donation to buy a cup of coffee?
Actually yes hehe, quite a few cups of coffee thanks to a small handful of appreciative users with deep pockets.

UO Junkie

17-09-2004, 03:14

Hey patag

Do you have a rough idea when VoyeUR will be released and what does a Joe Blow like me expect to pay for ur lil program? And i must say it is very nice also (A$$ Kissing 101 - for a faster reply)

patag

18-09-2004, 00:04

UO Junkie, we have a couple things to tweak and will be ready to start selling it within a month. If you send a email to the contact address listed in the demo, I'll add you to the list of people I will contact directly when we are ready to start selling.

I'm pretty sure it won't cost more then $40 per year, more then likely less, but we're still trying to estimate costs.

Zunaynu

13-10-2004, 12:18

I'm pretty sure it won't cost more then $40 per year, more then likely less, but we're still trying to estimate costs.

This is a very nice little program you have and I was sold until I read what it could cost. Sorry, I just can't afford that on a yearly basis. I am stretched to my limits. :eek:

G'luck with your marketing .. I hope you do well.

NiklasH

13-10-2004, 14:51

Nothing wrong in earning some few bucks....I cant understand some of the reaction in this thread when told it will cost an yearly fee.

H2O

16-10-2004, 16:30

lmao I'm going to guess that most people that would use this can afford 40$ the people who cant afford 40$ a year probably don’t really need to use this just want to which is understandable... The coder behind this is not making you use this nor is he asking you to he is simply putting it out there if you want it... i don’t think people need to go on ranting and raving about him charging, crap like that will make him say screw this never again .. I know from personal experience... i personally don’t have a use for this but from what I see I think it looks great and well worth 40$ a year if you are a person that can benefit from this software.

Just my 2 pennies

Ricky

Bastian

21-11-2004, 10:01

BTW: It works in Firefox 1.0 (even German version) and it does not disconnect my TS session anymore.

WalkaboutTigger

26-11-2004, 06:22

I have no issue paying an annual license or use fee for software. The .NET framework, however, is the stumbling block for me. I am more than happy to send the fine folks at GoTeamSpeak a contribution to keep the software going, but I am unwilling to spend the approximately $2,000 in licensing fees to legally operate a Windows-based gaming server on the Internet (we have spoken with Microsoft's legal department and this is their position).

Walkabout

LD50

08-12-2004, 06:48

I am still waiting for it to be released so I can pay the fee. heh. :)

cu-death

09-12-2004, 17:49

Well if it isn't free you can keep it ... gl&hf

A lot of people in the gaming world are making MOD's and MapPacks for free!!!
If you want to charge for your ad-on that's your PROBLEM. You would make more money on donations and you would actualy distribute your ad-on ... when you do a search on Google you will find a lot of similar ad-ons that do the same yours does (more and less) ... and they are all FREE.

peace

Brain

09-12-2004, 18:11

Indeed, patag, how dare you not give away stuff for free? It's the internet, everything on the internet is free! That's what my mom says.

I'm gonna tell my mom! MOOOOMMMMMYYYY!!!!

Bottom line:
Your argumentation lacks substance cu-death. If you had bothered to read the whole thread you would've noticed that patag also provides processing power, storage and traffic for the process that collects and disseminates information.
Those are costs that have to be covered as well.

Since there's no such thing as a free lunch that means whenever you get something "for free" off the internet then someone else has paid for it. Simple as that. If patag seeks a way of compensation for his expenses it is his right to do so, as it is your right to not have to purchase his services.

LD50

10-12-2004, 05:53

cu-death

10-12-2004, 10:53

I did read the thread Brain (and saw your efforts regarding the subject on your website also) ... otherwise, why bother posting?

Hosting, processing etc... is another thing, and I agree that it can't be free.

If you did read what I wrote, it says, I'm only questioning the fee for people that want to use it for non profit e.g. clanservers (somewhat like TS).

Patag, your work is very much appreciated and it would be difficult to express the know-how, time and dedication in terms of money.

Just consider I ran FREE public servers in order to get to sell clanservers, and that worked great. Nowadays, with the competition, you just gotta be happy to get your expenses covered and make some extra on the side.
People like Patag and some of us do this as a hobby (because they like what they do?) and should, in my opinion, focus more on getting a name (distribute a lot) rather than think about makin money. If the interest is the money it's better to get a regular job as a dependent.

Sorry about the "Well if it isn't free you can keep it ... gl&hf" Patag, forget it. The rest of the post was just meant as a comment. Good luck with the project anyway.

LD50, offending people won't make you a man, just refrain from useless comments.

Brain

10-12-2004, 11:15

If you did read what I wrote, it says, I'm only questioning the fee for people that want to use it for non profit e.g. clanservers (somewhat like TS).
I read what you wrote, but you didn't convey that fact very well. It looked rather like you were complaining about not getting something for free, hence my comment.

and saw your efforts regarding the subject on your website also
Yes, but that's a different matter. I tried doing something good by developing something GPL'ed. It got ripped off by talentless LUser - well, I knew it would. But the reason why I stopped handing out free stuff was simply the fact that one (or two) people decided to sell it as their own work and sent the people who had problems with the software (because of a race condition that I only noticed a few months ago) to ME for support. When I found out I sent them a couple of e-Mails that were only answered with a denial-of-service attack on my server.

Bottom line: Something that you don't pay for (even if it is only a small, neglegible amount) isn't worth anything - this is appearantly how the majority of people think. Based on that assumption handing out free stuff won't accomplish much, you'd only make yourself a name as an idiot who's stupid enough to work for others for free.
Unless of course, you're a big organization or have a big interest group behind you.

LD50

13-12-2004, 00:31

LD50, offending people won't make you a man, just refrain from useless comments.

I am assuming you are making reference to my statement (s): "If you can't pay for it, then get a job. If you won't pay for it then move on."

My intention was not to offend, but to counter your rather passionate criticism of the code not being made available as freeware. You later apologized for your remark: "Sorry about the 'Well if it isn't free you can keep it ... gl&hf'" It was this remark which prompted my statement, albeit blunt statement which you took obvious offense too.

I apologize for it.

Now, with that said, I will offer only one additional bit of commentary, as this is getting off subject with your unnecessary personal attack. I became a man very long time ago, thank you, and learned long before that when I am being baited with words like "useless."

Take care.

Patag, excellent code and excellent work. Like I said, I would be willing to purchase it. However, there seems to be issues in contacting you via your site. :(

Thanks

No1_sonuk

14-12-2004, 10:53

Isn't this kind of thing already available?

We've had TS server info available on our mod web site for months:

http://www.priceofpeace.net/index.php?p=serverinfo&id=ts

I don't know how it's done, though.

[TI]Gray Fox

02-01-2005, 21:56

patag, as I'm very interested in Flash, I would like to know if your Flash Application directly connects to the Teamspeak server and gets the information (would be awesome) of if you use several other scripts to get the information. :)

Gryphon

03-01-2005, 17:07

I believe his flash interface uses an xml feed using information gathered from the server by other means.

[TI]Gray Fox

03-01-2005, 19:17

Yea, I'm using Flash with PHP/CGI to gather the information, although a direct connection to the server would be way better.

EveJunkie

19-01-2005, 16:56

This looks great patag!
We're intrested in paying for this service for one of our websites but we need to get in contact with you asap as the project deadline is getting close. Please could you message me through the forums so we can discuss this.

jrlopez

03-03-2005, 08:16

I cant beleive after you post a price people are still complaining!!!

$40 a year...lets see that is like what, a little over 3 bucks a month.

I think its an excellent price based on the hard work, the labor, not to mention all the hours it took to learn how to do it!!!

Someone had said earlier...and I liked "If you cant afford $40 in a whole year- then you DONT NEED IT!"

I am almost willing to bet that everyone complaining about the fee dont know anything about programming, IF they did they would appreciate the hard work put into this nice script.

Its a nice script GOOD WORK. I will be waiting for the release and I support the fee!

WalkaboutTigger

16-05-2005, 23:38

OK. I have overcome the .NET issue and can now implement a .NET server.

What is the current status of this project?
Will you accept PayPal as a form of payment for the annual fee?

Thanks!

Walkabout

TANSTAAFL

m&m's

16-05-2005, 23:48

if your runing php and want a self updateing info block see my sig it is a free dl , the block updates it's self with out you haveing to refresh the whole page , shows afk , mute ect as well as new comers to your ts in a set time frame

WalkaboutTigger

19-05-2005, 20:13

And how does ^^^this post^^^ relate to this thread?! :confused:

ice5192man

25-05-2005, 22:51

when will this be avb to the public > ?????

GrimReeper

02-06-2005, 09:22

LOL @ all the ppl bitching about fees.

There is a large group off ppl that indeed make things for free. Others like to have some money for it. Its all a choice you have to make. A kid of 13 probably has problems with 40 dollars a year, but ppl paying a few thousand dolars a year on servers couldnt care less. Writing an email saying it costs to much, normal costs them more in time then those 40 dollars.

Everyone can choose what they do, either for Free or for payment. That it is very nice of a big chunk of ppl to develop stuff for free, those not mean the ppl that ask money are bad. There just... less generous :-)