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ZeroTKA

15-05-2009, 18:17

DNF?

Just because the developers are taking long doesn't mean it will happen,

Doesn't mean it won't happen either.

I want to see a due date.
I've answered this before. Let me go find it.
Really? The official date has been released for months and maybe even a year or two (maybe longer). My quote might be wrong but i think it's something like "When it's done." I'm pretty sure that's the official release date.

Although i admire that you're attempting something, if you would search the forums you would see that many people have said the same thing and thus making your attempt, a failure, to move the process along any faster or get a different answer. Try something new and creative and you indeed might get a different answer. If it's your lucky day you might even get one from the devs. I'm almost positive they check these forums on a fairly regular basis.

Until then you're just raising my post count, cluttering the forums, and even sometimes lowering my reputation. Sometimes posts like those can provide a slight chuckle for myself in your logic and overuse of characters such as !'s and z's. It makes me believe that you use that many in hopes that it adds more emphasis and somehow is supposed to make me feel sorry for you and breakdown to your demands. Instead it provides the opposite effect and it makes me not want to reply to you at all. When people do give you the answer you go into a fit of rage because it's not the answer that you want or like--even though that it's the answer to the question. You expect us to give you a different answer to 2+2=? other then 4. We even give you the answer in many shapes and forms such as 2^2.

It's like your an inverse tangent function trying to find the answer on the asymptote--you'll never get there. We tell you there is no exact date. Then you ( general republic ) will engage with us ( loosely speaking, the 'regulars' ) in unpleasantries that's best left to poorly written soap operas that air at 2 in the morning--on the radio. All that because you refuse to +/- Pi/2 to your equation to get to the answer in the correct domain. This usually ends up in you leaving never to return to the forums again.

Many more will come after you, as many have before, as if you are the chinese population walking past us one by one reproducing along the way and never stopping to enjoy something that's free. You don't know why you're in the line and neither do i. You sometimes threaten to leave the line and join the skype line or ventrillo line because their lines are double spaced or their margins are increased. Whatever line you chose to be in, it's not going to change the answer that was given.

Sometimes you (being the general public) are just trying to troll and in which case i wonder why. There are much better places in terms of number of people and quickness of reply. Go to any religious site with a forum or any facebook group. The active population of those are most likely to exceed the forums here and thus giving you a better sense of accomplishment and pleasure.

I want to see some dedication as opposed to just wandering around hoping it will be done one day.

Dedication is measured in other ways and not just 'this will be done at this specific time.'

Rabe85

15-05-2009, 19:23

There is only one "official" statement: "2009 will be the year of TeamSpeak³".

webhostbudd

16-05-2009, 01:21

I'm glad this is in off-topic.

Honestly, I would like to see more posts as promised by the developer blog. The devs said they would be writing reports at least monthly, but I haven't seen one in months. It's nice to be able to at least see what is going on.

StrangeWill

19-05-2009, 08:51

Doesn't mean it won't happen either.
In the development world, it means more likely it wont than it will.

I've answered this before. Let me go find it.

See above, more projects that say this never come to be. I'm just going over developmental statistics on this.

That and human psychology, when there is no pressing date people are more likely to take their sweet time and get very little done. It's amazing how much work can get done when there is a nearby due date, progress skyrockets 10 fold.

Case and point: Tell an employee to get something done on his time, a month later when he hasn't done shit, tell him it's due in a week.

Dedication is measured in other ways and not just 'this will be done at this specific time.'
Well it's also measured in progress (we see none in months), screenshots (we see none), hearing from developers (we don't). Signs point to not giving a fuck. The fact that the developer blog isn't even TOUCHED is probably the worst sign. If no one on the TS team can take 15 minutes a month to keep the community interested, how much effort can they be putting towards their actual product?

There is only one "official" statement: "2009 will be the year of TeamSpeak³".
Almost 50% through and we see no tangible updates. Then again they could just mean we're going to focus on it, has nothing to do with releasing the bloody thing.

Then again, if they meant release, I bet you the release date is end of December.

I'm glad this is in off-topic.

Honestly, I would like to see more posts as promised by the developer blog. The devs said they would be writing reports at least monthly, but I haven't seen one in months. It's nice to be able to at least see what is going on.
Regular updates would change my opinion 180 pretty quickly.

ZeroTKA

19-05-2009, 09:12

You make some good points. You choose to look at it from that standpoint, and i choose to look at it from a different standpoint. You've argued your side and i've argued mine.

I am with you 100% in wanting to see it finished. I would love to know a due date or read a dev blog about the progress or lack there of. I'll gobble up anything they throw out there even if it's not exactly great news. I get on the forums everyday hoping to see the headline "TS3 RELEASED" or even it going into the beta stage. I'd also like to think they are busy with it on a fairly regular basis. Whether it be with sales, coding, PR, SDK, or whatever. Some don't believe they are and some do.

Regardless of which side you or I stand on, they have given their answers several times and it won't change until they change it. Until then i'll have to keep giving you guys the answer that was given to us already.

StrangeWill

20-05-2009, 21:06

I just hate the idea that no evidence is good evidence. It's bad, and I'd really like the TS devs to engage the community a little bit more, they have the ability to single handely take control of the VOIP market when TS3 comes to light, and considering the competition I'm really hoping, I'd hate to see this project become vaporware.

ZeroTKA

21-05-2009, 06:37

I just hate the idea that no evidence is good evidence. It's bad, and I'd really like the TS devs to engage the community a little bit more,...

The hardest part about it is since we're on the outside, we can't actually see the daily progress. Maybe it's absolutely necessary that they have to take this long. Maybe they've made tremendous progress with no days wasted. Maybe it's in alpha so long because they found a major snag. Of course it could be the complete opposite they could have done nothing for months. Devs have assured people that they are hard at work and that it's not vaporware. I tend to believe the more optimistic side.

...they have the ability to single handely take control of the VOIP market when TS3 comes to light, and considering the competition I'm really hoping, I'd hate to see this project become vaporware.

amen.

Doesn't mean it won't happen either.
In the development world, it means more likely it wont than it will.

Lets say that the stats are 55% won't and 45% will (completely made up). You shouldn't assume it'll be the same outcome everytime. 45% has to come from somewhere and maybe TS is in the 45%.As a side note: It'll be a scary world when they are able to read into genes and give you a bio of your child and what they are most likely to become at a very young age. They'll start putting people in institutions because they're likely to be 'insane' or 'murders'.

I've answered this before. Let me go find it.See above, more projects that say this never come to be. I'm just going over developmental statistics on this....

...Case and point: Tell an employee to get something done on his time, a month later when he hasn't done shit, tell him it's due in a week.

I think that's completely situational. Some people will slack off and put it off till later. Some people will want to get it done and out of the way.

...That and human psychology, when there is no pressing date people are more likely to take their sweet time and get very little done. It's amazing how much work can get done when there is a nearby due date, progress skyrockets 10 fold...

The amount of work done doesn't change from start to finish. It's just the amount of time that goes by. Let's say people are building a house. You give them a week to do it and they work and work and work and get it done. For simplicity's sake, it took 100 hours. Now you give them 5 months to do it. They finish it at 5 months and it still takes them only 100 hours to do it. So if devs say, okay we'll make it done by June 15th 2009. Same amount of work would be done as opposed to july 1st. If you don't have a set date, then you're not rushed. It's not, i gotta finish this today or we're going to be behind, then i'll have to work twice as hard. It's more relaxed and better quality. They can take extra time working something out instead of a quick fix. Look at the efficiency/quality of production of countries in Europe can dish out compared to the US. There work days aren't "get as much as you can get done in 8 hours." It's a few hours on, couple hours for lunch, and a couple after. People are actually more productive with a Euro style work day vs 8 hour shifts with a small lunch break. Look at the education system. I think US is the only one that goes 9 months straight vs alternatives like 3 months on, 1 month off. Our education system blows imo.

Dedication is measured in other ways and not just 'this will be done at this specific time.'Well it's also measured in progress (we see none in months), screenshots (we see none), hearing from developers (we don't). Signs point to not giving a fuck. The fact that the developer blog isn't even TOUCHED is probably the worst sign. If no one on the TS team can take 15 minutes a month to keep the community interested, how much effort can they be putting towards their actual product?

This is true. We indeed don't see the progress but that's just because we are on the outside. According to the dev blog, the alpha testers see progress weekly. Again, just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. I'd like to see updates just like anyone else, but by now i think it's clear they made a choice about this particular subject. They post things every so often and that's how it'll be. I find that a lot of companies (specifically gaming companies) do this as well. I'm no Public Relations expert but it's probably for a reason.In my opinion TS3 is probably going to be such a BAMF ( Bad A** mofo ) that they can make that kind of sacrifice and those people that turn away will come back to it anyway. So if you're getting the same people then it's wise to spend your resources on other things. ( I think we hit a dead end with this particular point, we'll just have to agree to disagree )

TyvdAheksy

28-05-2009, 04:35

Quote:
Originally Posted by webhostbudd View Post
I'm glad this is in off-topic.

Honestly, I would like to see more posts as promised by the developer blog. The devs said they would be writing reports at least monthly, but I haven't seen one in months. It's nice to be able to at least see what is going on.
Regular updates would change my opinion 180 pretty quickly.

I'd have to agree with this. I'm hopeful about Teamspeak 3 but feel pretty let down that they won't even take four minutes to post a very short "Here are some things we did this month.. *insert small list of things*". Even if it's not explained it would still be enough for me to feel reassured.

ZeroTKA

28-05-2009, 04:48

TyvdAheksy

29-05-2009, 22:20

After looking through the dev blog, i found they usually post about every 3 or 4 months. Sometimes there's an extra month or so but in general, it was about 3 or 4 months between each entry. Last one was February so if they keep with the average, it's due shortly.

It'll be nice to hear from them, I'm pretty anxious to know how everything's going and hopefully it will have more screenshots to see how the UI is coming along.

ZeroTKA

30-05-2009, 17:48

Just in case you missed it:

http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php?p=193238#post193238

crazyandy

30-05-2009, 23:27

I just came across this today and I it made me wonder is TS3 ever realy going to come out.

Posted 06-09-2004, 12:07
Just wait for teamspeak 3, with that we release an nice sdk solution...
Yes were still waiting, 5 years on, but still see nothing. This realy worries me that the devs realy dont care about getting TS3 made and released.

As for the "nice sdk solution", us everyday teamspeak users cant even bloody well get a hold of that yet.

I think the ts devs need to get their fingers out of their arses and actually do some work, less of the team building (which seems to be igloo building and going for a morning run, WTF) and more ts3.

I bet ts2 didnt take 5 years to make, although knowing these devs it probly did.

I would hate to know how many lines of code they actually write per day, as it cant be that much, if any, since we have been waiting 5 years so far.

And so we continue to wait for another 5 years.

TyvdAheksy

01-06-2009, 02:55

As for the "nice sdk solution", us everyday teamspeak users cant even bloody well get a hold of that yet.

-Unless you're building a game or application that wants to take advantage of voice you really have no need, at all, for the SDK

Yes were still waiting, 5 years on, but still see nothing. This realy worries me that the devs realy dont care about getting TS3 made and released.

-They have posted screen shots and posts about ts3 in 2008 letting us peek at it a little while it's still being worked on. I can't agree with "but still see nothing" maybe you just need to look around a bit more instead?

I think the ts devs need to get their fingers out of their arses and actually do some work, less of the team building (which seems to be igloo building and going for a morning run, WTF) and more ts3.

-I have no problem with them staying healthy or getting fresh air. Honestly I think it's good, since many creative ideas come out of the blue when you're not straining your mind to come up with something 'on the spot'

Instead of bashing them about this why not go find yourself something else to use if you're so upset with the way they handle their work.

R. Ludwig

13-06-2009, 06:45

@crazyandy

why do not come here and look what we are doing all the day ?
maybe after that visit you are impressed and stfu until we did
or job ?

Tomas

13-06-2009, 18:06

@crazyandy

why do not come here and look what we are doing all the day ?
maybe after that visit you are impressed and stfu until we did
or job ?
sounds interesting ... any idea how to do it without traveling a lot?
wouldnt you be worried about sources during that times?

note: I can imagine germany is near but I cant speak a word to be honest.

Panerdar

13-06-2009, 23:17

They been talking about TS 3 being released since 2005, I quit wondering about it a long time ago.

R. Ludwig

14-06-2009, 06:55

sounds interesting ... any idea how to do it without traveling a lot?
wouldnt you be worried about sources during that times?

note: I can imagine germany is near but I cant speak a word to be honest.

this is an offer for crazyandy, sorry no trip to germany for you.

ZeroTKA

14-06-2009, 07:54

this is an offer for crazyandy, sorry no trip to germany for you.

Lets say, hypothetically, that i replicate crazyandys behavior, do you think i qualify for germany to see what the coders are doing? Maybe get a free T-shirt? Maybe learn how to build an igloo and everything?

R. Ludwig

14-06-2009, 08:24

Lets say, hypothetically, that i replicate crazyandys behavior, do you think i qualify for germany to see what the coders are doing? Maybe get a free T-shirt? Maybe learn how to build an igloo and everything?

lets say hypothetically, you would be mean as me, i would be happy to spend you a free coke and show you what we do the whole day.

ZeroTKA

15-06-2009, 08:43

Speaking of Teamspeak 3, a few years ago it was posted that

When we are 100% satisfied with the quality of TeamSpeak 3, we will release a final version... and we will host a "TeamSpeak 3 Release Party" - details to be determined at a future date. :)

***Found at the following http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php?t=42439&highlight=release+party

Is this party still happening? I've been to a couple parties that took weeks to plan and they were awesome. It's almost been a solid 3 years for this party and i expect it to blow every other party out of the water.

I guess the more important question i'm interested in is, are there any details you can spare about this 'party'?

R. Ludwig

15-06-2009, 11:55

so what you try to archive here with this type of posts ? make some fun ?

crazyandy

15-06-2009, 15:42

this is an offer for crazyandy, sorry no trip to germany for you.

Ok Ludwig I would be delighted to accept your offer, when will you be sending out the tickets for the flights over and will there be a limo waiting at the airport to pick me up?

Cant wait to come over to germany and meet yous,
Andy

ZeroTKA

15-06-2009, 19:29

so what you try to archive here with this type of posts ? make some fun ?

To 'lighten the mood'. Usually every post i've seen about TS3 (aside from the dev blogs) have been negative. Have to throw some positive words in there.

It sounded like you guys had something special planned for this party. So i thought i should ask. I am already excited for ts3 to be released, but for you guys to host a "Teamspeak release party," that would definitely be interesting. Maybe i'm just a huge nerd but i think i'd enjoy talking to the devs and people from the forums ( well, some of them. )

R. Ludwig

16-06-2009, 06:40

To 'lighten the mood'. Usually every post i've seen about TS3 (aside from the dev blogs) have been negative. Have to throw some positive words in there.
maybe its my bad english but this type of posts got an very fishy smell...

It sounded like you guys had something special planned for this party. So i thought i should ask. I am already excited for ts3 to be released, but for you guys to host a "Teamspeak release party," that would definitely be interesting. Maybe i'm just a huge nerd but i think i'd enjoy talking to the devs and people from the forums ( well, some of them. )

nah there is nothing more than that idea. if we do that, we would need to find someone anyway who plans this else it would be for sure a mega boring party... none of us is a party boy.

ZeroTKA

16-06-2009, 06:57

maybe its my bad english but this type of posts got an very fishy smell...

We are not on the same page. We'll pretend like it was never discussed.

nah there is nothing more than that idea. if we do that, we would need to find someone anyway who plans this else it would be for sure a mega boring party... none of us is a party boy.

I guess your idea of a release party and mine are different. Ah well. Anyway, thanks for the responses. Keep up the good work.

R. Ludwig

16-06-2009, 07:16

so tell me your idea of a release party, i am living in a complete different world than you so maybe you can give me some ideas :P

ZeroTKA

16-06-2009, 10:02

I was thinking you guys would host a TS3 server and the devs would be there for a certain amount of time. What happened on the server would be up to you guys. Here's what i was thinking might happen:
You guys would invite the forum to the new teamspeak where people could ask questions about ts3 or chat amongst each other.
The first 5 people or whatever could get a ts server for a month or two free or something.
You guys would get together and play a game and whoever read about it on the forums could hop on TS3 and join the game you guys are in and duke it out for a bit. I don't know.
You guys would send the people who join your TS server an additional icon set or sound pack that you guys tested but it didn't make the cut for the final version. Maybe even a zip file of 'goodies' ( such as pictures throughout the project or behind the scenes things?). Just something a little extra that isn't released with the downloaded one.

Least that was the first thing that came to my mind with a 'teamspeak 3 release party.' I wasn't really thinking about a real life face to face party. 1 and 4 seem most practical in my opinion. I'd almost be willing to bet that when TS3 is released this forum will be 'hopping' ( that is slang word for busy )

Tomas

16-06-2009, 18:53

this is an offer for crazyandy, sorry no trip to germany for you.

I know I wasnt on for few days and this discussion got fired up a bit....
well my post was meant half way as a joke in meaning that I do and you propably too that makeing such trip is not in options. I meant propably some like idk teamviewer/Video_stream? you know like those on colleges and stuff when they make some serious sessions.

I would put here two links to video servers with records ... but lets skip that(college and education network in our country connected with others like European "GÉANT" or american "Internet2")

R. Ludwig

17-06-2009, 10:41

I was thinking you guys would host a TS3 server and the devs would be there for a certain amount of time. What happened on the server would be up to you guys. Here's what i was thinking might happen:
You guys would invite the forum to the new teamspeak where people could ask questions about ts3 or chat amongst each other.
The first 5 people or whatever could get a ts server for a month or two free or something.
You guys would get together and play a game and whoever read about it on the forums could hop on TS3 and join the game you guys are in and duke it out for a bit. I don't know.
You guys would send the people who join your TS server an additional icon set or sound pack that you guys tested but it didn't make the cut for the final version. Maybe even a zip file of 'goodies' ( such as pictures throughout the project or behind the scenes things?). Just something a little extra that isn't released with the downloaded one.

Least that was the first thing that came to my mind with a 'teamspeak 3 release party.' I wasn't really thinking about a real life face to face party. 1 and 4 seem most practical in my opinion. I'd almost be willing to be that when TS3 is released this forum will be 'hopping' ( that is slang word for busy )

well mate, nice ideas. i am sure we can turn some of them to reality.

[HJ]-Petz

18-06-2009, 15:24

This thread is funny as.

Ralph your such a good sport. Even though your english is quite hard to understand you give it a go and thats what counts. Keep it up.

On the topic of the party(a online TS3 get together?). I have a suggestions. TS3 Devs have alot of alcohol(yes this includes you Ralph). Then its story telling time. I request Ralph narrates in english the Three little pigs(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Little_Pigs). Huuuffff n Puffff.

R. Ludwig

18-06-2009, 16:31

-Petz;193955']This thread is funny as.

Ralph your such a good sport. Even though your english is quite hard to understand you give it a go and thats what counts. Keep it up.

On the topic of the party(a online TS3 get together?). I have a suggestions. TS3 Devs have alot of alcohol(yes this includes you Ralph). Then its story telling time. I request Ralph narrates in english the Three little pigs(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Little_Pigs). Huuuffff n Puffff.

0,001 ml alcohol and i wont say one word anymore (which would be anyway the best?)...

Tomas

18-06-2009, 16:44

I guess almost only at germany are conferences about Audio. We dont have any I think.

pewpmaster

21-06-2009, 16:50

I don't know if any of you have played America's Army 3, but the sound quality of the voice chat is pretty phenomenal. Much better than anything TS2 has currently, and I'd say it's either on par or better than vent.

So, if the final client/server product of TS3 is that good or better than I can't wait.

Tomas

22-06-2009, 10:05

this more like monolog take it or leave it. dont take it personaly.

well I can imagine developing something in same ways as me huh you are doing something/fixing then you get idea of improvement to something else or you just read a idea on forum. then you are fired up to put that thing in(implement) as well.

dunno if it goes around this way as I do sometimes develop I guess TeamSpeak will never be finished.

I know this might sound old fashion, but makeing todo list with notes/link/descriptions of some new ideas which doesnt improve already coded things might help you release it sooner.

you know there is lot of software for example linux OS which have faaar more versions than just teamspeak. imagine how it can look, "oh teamspeak new version its not 3 anymore its now 4 ! I guess another five years passed heh?"

where the version system got lost in TeamSpeak?
(I know lets put aside 2-3 minor versions with maybe some fixes)

ok why dont you consider one idea ... having a public poll/vote for
"how many of you want even if unfinished TeamSpeak get released?"
or
"how many of you wanna check what is waiting for you in new version asap?"
I would preffer first poll.
if lets say ... 10k people vote for then you lost and got overvoted by comunity?? :)
options >> yes | no | I dont give a damm anymore

XainGM

14-07-2009, 04:42

I just pretend that they never announced TS3. That way I won't be disappointed when they tell us it will be out of beta testing by 2010...

Seem's to me, I could have single handedly learned how to code in C and come up with something in the time it has taken since they first announced TS3. Hell, Microsoft has came out with 2 new OSes in the time it has taken these devs to call for alpha testers.. By the time they are done beta testing, the OSes they beta tested it on will be obsolete.

Anyway, that's my rant. Getting tired of not hearing anything about TS3 and all the security issues TS2 has.

C'mon guys, it didn't take you this long with TS2. Get your shit together so we can all be one happy TS community again =D.

P.S.

And to you people who managed to get some sort of alpha testing spot. I don't really want to hear from you, as your input is useless. You telling the community "The devs are working hard" is about as meaningful as saying "The president is working hard to fix the economy". It's doesn't mean shit unless we actually see some change.

Peace.

guest_post

18-07-2009, 02:15

I just pretend that they never announced TS3. That way I won't be disappointed when they tell us it will be out of beta testing by 2010...

Seem's to me, I could have single handedly learned how to code in C and come up with something in the time it has taken since they first announced TS3. Hell, Microsoft has came out with 2 new OSes in the time it has taken these devs to call for alpha testers.. By the time they are done beta testing, the OSes they beta tested it on will be obsolete.

Anyway, that's my rant. Getting tired of not hearing anything about TS3 and all the security issues TS2 has.

C'mon guys, it didn't take you this long with TS2. Get your shit together so we can all be one happy TS community again =D.

P.S.

And to you people who managed to get some sort of alpha testing spot. I don't really want to hear from you, as your input is useless. You telling the community "The devs are working hard" is about has meaningful as saying "The president is working hard to fix the economy". It's doesn't mean shit unless we actually see some change.

Peace.

Hear hear, I second that.

Teamspeak 3 is just a piece of vaporware, people who still think that it will be released or even released any time soon, should stop being so naive.

maxi1990

22-07-2009, 16:12

[...]
Teamspeak 3 is just a piece of vaporware
[...]

Does this look like vaporware to you?

http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/ts3_alpha2_win.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/ts3_alpha2_linux.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/ts3_alpha2_mac.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/whisper3.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/whisper2.jpg

Oh and by the way, I am an alpha tester and I say TeamSpeak3 is no vaporware.

XainGM

22-07-2009, 19:50

Does this look like vaporware to you?

http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/ts3_alpha2_win.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/ts3_alpha2_linux.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/ts3_alpha2_mac.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/whisper3.jpg
http://teamspeak.com/media_repository/images/blog/whisper2.jpg

Oh and by the way, I am an alpha tester and I say TeamSpeak3 is no vaporware.

Yup, those screenshots are almost a year old now. Assuming they are the same as the post date.

Does this look like vaporware to you?
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/05/02/50213_DNF-Screenshot-Xmas1999-11_normal.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/05/02/50208_DNF-Screenshot-Xmas1999-06.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/05/02/50201_DNF-Screenshot-2009-42_normal.jpg
http://ve3d.ign.com/images/game/3880/PC/Duke-Nukem-Forever/category/5/Screenshots

I think my point has been made...

maxi1990

22-07-2009, 20:15

XainGM

22-07-2009, 20:17

Well, okay. You are right.

I am going to join the TeamSpeak3 server now and talk to my buddies while we are laughing about the fact that some people think we are not existing.

I think my point has also been made.

I never said there wasn't a Alpha or Alpha testers. What I was saying is a completed TS3 client will not be seen this year, **IF** ever.

maxi1990

22-07-2009, 20:27

That's a difficult situation for me now because I am not allowed to comment that in the way I'd like to :(

ZeroTKA

22-07-2009, 20:49

Redemptive software

On occasion, some software titles that were initially classified as "vaporware" redeem themselves after long waiting periods. Games that had an unusually long development period filled with delays and restarts include Half-Life[15], Half-Life 2, Max Payne, Prey[16] and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl, which received chiefly positive reviews.

Another prime example of a redemptive vaporware could be Team Fortress 2 (announced in 1998) which, after a redesign from a more realistic character and level design to a more cartoonish character design reminiscent of Pixar movies, received glowing hands-on previews[17][18][19], and it was finally released on October 10, 2007, as part of the Orange Box compilation.

I wouldn't exactly classify TS3 as vaporware. Has it been awhile? yes.

DNF is definitely vaporware. You can look at the news and see the crap that's gone on. They let go all of the programmers for it, they were in a 'legal battle' at one point i believe for the full rights of it and yadda yadda. If you compare the two fully, i think you'll find they are different.

For you personally, do they have to have an open beta or actually release the software for you to believe that it's not 'vaporware'? What's the 'turning' point for you to believe that it'll actually be released? As far as i know, whenever they have the alpha testing thingy done or whatever, they'll have an open beta.

XainGM

23-07-2009, 08:25

I wouldn't exactly classify TS3 as vaporware. Has it been awhile? yes.

DNF is definitely vaporware. You can look at the news and see the crap that's gone on. They let go all of the programmers for it, they were in a 'legal battle' at one point i believe for the full rights of it and yadda yadda. If you compare the two fully, i think you'll find they are different.

For you personally, do they have to have an open beta or actually release the software for you to believe that it's not 'vaporware'? What's the 'turning' point for you to believe that it'll actually be released? As far as i know, whenever they have the alpha testing thingy done or whatever, they'll have an open beta.

When TS3 is released, it better be finished with hardly any bugs. Because if there is, than we now know they just been sitting around with their thumbs up their asses. I hate undedicated programmers. This really is sad that it has taken them this long just to be in 'alpha' testing... the most earliest stage of user testing... Hell, NASA built a space ship in less time than its taken TS3 to be released after announcement.

ZeroTKA

23-07-2009, 11:06

You know the greatest thing about being pessimistic? You will never be disappointed.

I'll rant more about TF2 since you seemed to have missed part of my point. As of right now TF2 is the 11th most played game with Xfire with 9,162 players playing per day. These stats are probably low because i'm sure the majority of people don't use xfire. So we can assume you can probably at least double that stat. It also has a meta score of 92. Did you pick up what i'm threw down here?

Yes, we all hate anybody who isn't dedicated to whatever it is they are doing. Lets look at the devs. They post in the forums, they post blogs, they do interviews, the have articles written, and so forth. They've been doing this for how long? (dedication?) I'm sure between having a life and jobs they find time to code and work with game companys to incorporate TS3 in the games that some of us play. SDK has to mean something in terms of dedication. Granted some forms of publicity are in german, but it doesn't negate the fact that they didn't take time or dedication to do it.

Yes, it has been awhile since the announcement of ts3. Nobody is saying that it hasn't. The cool thing is they are still around occasionally posting. (dedication?)

Yes, a space shuttle can be built in that time. Hell, An omelet du fromage can be made, a baby can be born, and you can explain your computer problem to a guy in India who can't speak English well at all. God forbid if they are human and make a mistake or change their minds half way through and redesign it or whatever it is that happened.

Yes, alpha stage is the earliest in user testing. But they have to get it to that point first. So that within itself has to show some dedication.

Yes, you could have single handedly learned how to code and come up with something in that amount of time. Doesn't mean it'd be useful or worth while. In your defense it doesn't mean it wouldn't either. Obviously whatever it is they have coded means something to a few companies. AA3 has it for example but i'm sure you already know that. If it was shitty programing then they would have asked vent or mumble or roger wilco or whoever. I've heard nothing but great things about the quality of the chat in it. So you can at least bet that that part is good or everyone who says it is really just a moron and doesn't know what good quality is.

And yes, "[alpha testers] telling the community "The devs are working hard" is about as meaningful as saying "The president is working hard to fix the economy". It's doesn't mean shit unless we actually see some change.", is one way to look at something. If you insist on looking at it like that, then don't forget to open your own eyes. Who knows, maybe it's been there the whole time and you just had your eyes closed.

XainGM

23-07-2009, 17:38

You know the greatest thing about being pessimistic? You will never be disappointed.

The devs made me pessimistic towards the release of the product. I didn't approach it thinking it will never happen when the first announced. Instead their lack of production is what leads towards my pessimism.

I'll rant more about TF2 since you seemed to have missed part of my point. As of right now TF2 is the 11th most played game with Xfire with 9,162 players playing per day. These stats are probably low because i'm sure the majority of people don't use xfire. So we can assume you can probably at least double that stat. It also has a meta score of 92. Did you pick up what i'm threw down here?

Think about what you just said here. If you can assume to double the stats of TF2 due to how many people you think play the game with Xfire, than you can assume the same for ALL the games on Xfire. Meaning the game would still hold the 11th position on Xfire.

Yes, we all hate anybody who isn't dedicated to whatever it is they are doing. Lets look at the devs. They post in the forums, they post blogs, they do interviews, the have articles written, and so forth. They've been doing this for how long? (dedication?) I'm sure between having a life and jobs they find time to code and work with game companys to incorporate TS3 in the games that some of us play. SDK has to mean something in terms of dedication. Granted some forms of publicity are in german, but it doesn't negate the fact that they didn't take time or dedication to do it.

Posting relevant information once every 6-8 months is bullshit. Also you act as if they are not making money off this. Not including what they make thru advertising and referral programs for the official TS2 servers, they have a system where they charge a whole lot of people to be official hosts (Refer to this page: http://sales.tritoncia.com/pricing.php). As far as I'm concerned, they are a business, the people working on their shit get paid. THIS IS THEIR JOB.

Yes, it has been awhile since the announcement of ts3. Nobody is saying that it hasn't. The cool thing is they are still around occasionally posting. (dedication?)

... sad to see that a customer base of any kind will at best expect the "occasionally posting"...

Yes, a space shuttle can be built in that time. Hell, An omelet du fromage can be made, a baby can be born, and you can explain your computer problem to a guy in India who can't speak English well at all. God forbid if they are human and make a mistake or change their minds half way through and redesign it or whatever it is that happened.

I'm just trying to put into perspective how ridiculously long it's been. Do you even know how incredibly complex a space ship is? and how many people it takes and how many pieces are made in different areas? It's infinity more complex than coding TS3. Now, you can't really compare the two on terms of difficulty, but only the timeline it has taken for them to be completed. I think most people would agree that it's been "sad length of time". There is no reason why it should be taking this long. We know better, so we can only assume the devs hardly work on it anymore *IF* at all.

Yes, alpha stage is the earliest in user testing. But they have to get it to that point first. So that within itself has to show some dedication.

No, it doesn't. Dedication has to be consistent to be dedication... Just because they worked hard to start, got an alpha out there, and then stopped just shows the lack of dedication.

Yes, you could have single handedly learned how to code and come up with something in that amount of time. Doesn't mean it'd be useful or worth while. In your defense it doesn't mean it wouldn't either. Obviously whatever it is they have coded means something to a few companies. AA3 has it for example but i'm sure you already know that. If it was shitty programing then they would have asked vent or mumble or roger wilco or whoever. I've heard nothing but great things about the quality of the chat in it. So you can at least bet that that part is good or everyone who says it is really just a moron and doesn't know what good quality is.

No one is arguing about the quality of the codecs TS3 is using. IMO AA3 is unfinished and not that great. So I wouldn't uphold the makers of AA3 to any quality standards. But since TS1 and 2, there is a certain level of quality that I do expect from TeamSpeak since every company sets their own standards. So far this expectation has not been met.

And yes, "[alpha testers] telling the community "The devs are working hard" is about as meaningful as saying "The president is working hard to fix the economy". It's doesn't mean shit unless we actually see some change.", is one way to look at something. If you insist on looking at it like that, then don't forget to open your own eyes. Who knows, maybe it's been there the whole time and you just had your eyes closed.

My eyes have been open and glued to teamspeak.com hopping for tid bits of info so I can start to piece together how great TS3 will be. Instead, I get nothing but an occasional post ever 8 months about what they worked on. This is disappointing for me and so many others. We want to see screenshots, and voice samples and program functionality broken down. We want to be able to start working on LUA scripts like they said they would support. We want to be prepared and get ready to throw TS3 up on the dedicated server some of us rent out (myself included). It's now at the point to where is taking so damn long to even hear news about it, that ts3 is nothing more than some said program that we know less about than that of our faintest memory's. Which seems to suit it well since that's all it's becoming.

ZeroTKA

23-07-2009, 21:28

Think about what you just said here. If you can assume to double the stats of TF2 due to how many people you think play the game with Xfire, than you can assume the same for ALL the games on Xfire. Meaning the game would still hold the 11th position on Xfire.

You are absolutely right. I'm sorry i wasn't clear. I wasn't doubling the stat of the 11th position because as you know that's relative. I was referring to the amount of players played. My point i was making with tf2 is that not all games that take forever end up bad or vaporware. TF2 has many many players and is a really good game if you like that type. No reason why TS3 can't be really good either.

Posting relevant information once every 6-8 months is bullshit. Also you act as if they are not making money off this. Not including what they make thru advertising and referral programs for the official TS2 servers, they have a system where they charge a whole lot of people to be official hosts (Refer to this page: http://sales.tritoncia.com/pricing.php). As far as I'm concerned, they are a business, the people working on their shit get paid. THIS IS THEIR JOB.

I don't think all the programmers or devs have teamspeak as their primary job. I could be wrong but i agree with you that they do make money off it. Definitely. If you go down to posting relevant information every 3-4 months then i will agree with you there.

... sad to see that a customer base of any kind will at best expect the "occasionally posting"...

This wasn't always like that. When ts2 came out they had people posting all the time fixing and looking into problems. Over the course of time, about 99% of questions have been answered. People are just too lazy to search for it. I'd rather much have them not post at all right now and work on TS3 then post everyday and comment on things when they could use that time doing other things.

I'm just trying to put into perspective how ridiculously long it's been. Do you even know how incredibly complex a space ship is? and how many people it takes and how many pieces are made in different areas? It's infinity more complex than coding TS3. Now, you can't really compare the two on terms of difficulty, but only the timeline it has taken for them to be completed. I think most people would agree that it's been "sad length of time". There is no reason why it should be taking this long. We know better, so we can only assume the devs hardly work on it anymore *IF* at all. Perspective noted.

No, it doesn't. Dedication has to be consistent to be dedication... Just because they worked hard to start, got an alpha out there, and then stopped just shows the lack of dedication. I don't believe they stopped. I guess we'll just have to see it differently.

No one is arguing about the quality of the codecs TS3 is using. IMO AA3 is unfinished and not that great. So I wouldn't uphold the makers of AA3 to any quality standards....
Touche. Many people stopped playing AA3.

My eyes have been open and glued to teamspeak.com hopping for tid bits of info so I can start to piece together how great TS3 will be. Instead, I get nothing but an occasional post ever 8 months about what they worked on. This is disappointing for me and so many others. We want to see screenshots, and voice samples and program functionality broken down. We want to be able to start working on LUA scripts like they said they would support. We want to be prepared and get ready to throw TS3 up on the dedicated server some of us rent out (myself included). It's now at the point to where is taking so damn long to even hear news about it, that ts3 is nothing more than some said program that we know less about than that of our faintest memory's. Which seems to suit it well since that's all it's becoming.

Again, they post in the dev blog every 3-4 months. There is also little tid bits of information everywhere. But i understand your point of wanting more information on a smaller time scale. So i won't debate it. Instead, i'll give you something that you might not have seen in the german forum.

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.teamspeak.com%2Fshowthread.ph p%3Ft%3D45287&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0=

That's the translation to english. That's the latest little tid bit that i know of. If i find anything else i will post it.

XainGM

23-07-2009, 21:41

Thanks for the site, I'll look it over later. I'm just hoping to spark something within the community so the people or DEVs working on TS3 will realize how people are starting to feel about this eledgid 2009 release date. We want to see and taste some of the real beef, not this fat we all been chewing on this whole time.

ScP

08-08-2009, 22:07

We've just added some new content to the website:

http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=teamspeak3
http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=teamspeak3sdk
http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=blogarchive&ident=20090808

XainGM

09-08-2009, 09:42

We've just added some new content to the website:

http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=teamspeak3
http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=teamspeak3sdk
http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=blogarchive&ident=20090808

Thank you! this was a much needed update. I just hope the content I'm looking at on these pages are not old.

ZeroTKA

10-08-2009, 10:41

Check out this german post. It's from one of the people who actually went to the TS headquarters or whatever and sat down and tested it / chatted with the devs.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.teamspeak.com%2Fshowthread.ph p%3Ft%3D45601

crazyandy

10-08-2009, 18:36

So we finaly get an insight into the TS HQ.
All these updates have got me interested again and getting excited for the release, but the big question is still there "when"??

XainGM

10-08-2009, 21:22

So we finaly get an insight into the TS HQ.
All these updates have got me interested again and getting excited for the release, but the big question is still there "when"??

Probably VERY late this year, if not then maybe mid 2010.

Maybe you can get an idea from these:

"There is no official release date set for TeamSpeak 3 at this time, however, we are aiming for a release sometime in early to mid 2006."

- Peter Kirk on Dec 5, 2005

"We are currently in the ALPHA phase, which will last until our new TeamSpeak 3 feature set is complete."

- Sven Paulsen on Jun 11, 2006

Please note: TS3 is still in its ALPHA phase and it's now August 2009...

"The most popular topic, the release date, is still somewhat unknown. Our current, best guess estimate (or hope :D) is to reach feature set completeness by Q4 of 2006."

- Sven Paulsen on Jun 11, 2006

"As you can see, we have quite a long list of changes (and these are only the changes since our last ALPHA client release, 14 days ago). We are still hoping to reach BETA stage (feature completness) before the snow melts."

- Sven Paulsen on Sep 18, 2007

They have decided to no longer give ideas for release dates.The attitude now is "It will be done when it's done.".

When will DNF be released?
"When It's Done." - DNF

ZeroTKA

11-08-2009, 01:44

http://forum.teamspeak.com/showpost.php?p=195546&postcount=28

drew015

13-08-2009, 06:12

even alpha tester do not know anything about a first release or beta date so please stop asking .. There is only one "official" statement: "2009 will be the year of TeamSpeak³".

NeoX88

02-09-2009, 23:02

There is only one "official" statement: "2009 will be the year of TeamSpeak³".

ahahahahahaah you're so funny!

Hyttulo

02-09-2009, 23:28

People want facts, not omgofficialstatements.
There is still people believing that TS3 will be out in 2009? You make me laugh.

The only thing to wonder now is: will be TS3 ever released?

I switched to Mumble long time ago because of poor quality and huge delays of TS2, all people that want a good product should do the same now instead of waiting years for TS3 ;)

StoneBlood

04-09-2009, 15:44

Katana*GFR*

06-09-2009, 17:16

I must say, you guys deserve a prize for the effort you took to be able to whine..
Yeah there is a weird thing with release dates and stuff..
But let me tell you this, every other voice program will bite the friggin dust.. I have seen it in action and believe me, its a whole new world..

Maybe you all will swallow some words when you actually get your hands on it..
It's a long wait, but worth the effort.. Bitching about doesn't make it go faster..

Im sure this will result in a personal flame towards me, as that is the tendency nowadays.. Someone defending it gets the stick.. I don't care, i know i laugh harder then you trying to poke me ^^

XainGM

09-09-2009, 02:21

I must say, you guys deserve a prize for the effort you took to be able to whine..
Yeah there is a weird thing with release dates and stuff..
But let me tell you this, every other voice program will bite the friggin dust.. I have seen it in action and believe me, its a whole new world..

Maybe you all will swallow some words when you actually get your hands on it..
It\\\\\\\'s a long wait, but worth the effort.. Bitching about doesn\\\\\\\'t make it go faster..

Im sure this will result in a personal flame towards me, as that is the tendency nowadays.. Someone defending it gets the stick.. I don\\\\\\\'t care, i know i laugh harder then you trying to poke me ^^

You act like it\'s not important for the product creators to keep its customers/consumers happy.

Katana*GFR*

09-09-2009, 16:54

Maybe because i have a view in the program?

To be honest your comment doesn't impress me, since A. When they release it people that whine will whine again because of some bugs and B. If they try to smooth it out as much as possible people will still whine because it takes so long..

I can tell you this, TS3 is a working program for a load of OS's. Im not allowed to say more due to a NDA.. If i could i would give a scoop, only the TS staff will bust my balls then.

BHKai

10-09-2009, 15:18

If i could i would give a scoop, only the TS staff will bust my balls then.
And if you saw the NDA you would know that, that statement is more literal than figurative.

ZeroTKA

11-09-2009, 19:29

And if you saw the NDA you would know that, that statement is more literal than figurative.

I would very much like to see this happen. If they could display this publicly, i would definitely attend. This all falls on you, Katana, don't let me down! I'm counting on you.

arth89

20-09-2009, 20:25

OMG I want this TS3!!!!
I have no idea what are you doing with this client.
It is ALPHA VERSION since 2006, now is 2009 and still ALPHA?!

Oh comeone! Lets destroy Ventrilo!:mad:

Arrrgghh09

21-09-2009, 04:01

I agree and disagree with so much in this thread surrounding the release date of Teamspeak 3. However, for me, what it comes down to is this:

I have been keeping the faith, paying to rent a TS2 server in the hopes that some of that money makes it back to the devs so they can continue to work on TS3, assuring my gaming community that TS3 will be out soon, that they are working on a quality product, and yet continually laughed at by the ventrilo fan boys for using an inferior product.

None of that makes any difference. I am losing members from my community because we are using an outdated product in the hopes that TS3 will make the wait all worth while.

The bottom line is that without some notion of when it will be released, I'm going to have to switch to ventrilo to keep my community fresh.

And, that is a very sad thing.

Perhaps if I had even the vaguest idea of when this will be released, I would hang in there for another year; but I see nothing here to justify my faith in the devs... or the money I spend every month to rent a TS2 server... or what I have been putting my gaming community through for the past few years.

You see, it's no longer about having some faith in the devs--it's about their faith in us.

ZeroTKA

23-09-2009, 01:59

Why not switch to vent, and when TS3 comes out, try it and go from there? Just because you stop using TS2, doesn't mean you can't come back when TS3 comes.

Cybereye

25-09-2009, 19:16

Teamspeak 3 comes at 2020 then the are ready at alpha testing.

Work harder? Its a hard world so come on with teamspeak 3!

XainGM

06-10-2009, 23:40

Why not switch to vent, and when TS3 comes out, try it and go from there? Just because you stop using TS2, doesn't mean you can't come back when TS3 comes.

wow, pushing people to another product? that's a bad tactic. What if you push enough people to Vent's system and vent decides to work on new version. I wouldn't be surprised if vent releases something before Ts3 even hits beta and all those customers you just lost. Simple fact of the matter is, when you run a server of 50+ people, no one wants to keep switching clients. It's a pain in the ass setting that many people up, flip flopping between two completely different programs.

ZeroTKA

07-10-2009, 00:03

The main complaint is that people who use TS2 are laughed at for using an outdated product. And if Arrgghh wants to save their community, he/she can temporarily switch to vent, then try TS3 when it comes out and go from there. I'm not saying don't ever use TS, i'm simply providing a possible solution for a problem.

Minty

19-10-2009, 20:51

Miscni

19-10-2009, 22:16

Why do some people love to pressure other people who provide free stuff?

You like TS2, great you'll love TS3.

It will be ready when it's ready. You want it faster make a donation of $50,000 dollars and maybe you might get an answer thats more to your liking.

It will be released when its done.
It will be great.
In the mean time stop whining, go play on facebook.
The more effort that has to go into answering whiners means that much less effort into releasing it.

G'day

I Agree

But sad to say, Teamspeak is kind like Candy, when people have got, the taste for it, they just want more, and it is sad to see, how people can react, because of it.

But sooner og later, the release for TS3 will come.

Hugz and Cheers...

XainGM

20-10-2009, 08:58

I Agree

But sad to say, Teamspeak is kind like Candy, when people have got, the taste for it, they just want more, and it is sad to see, how people can react, because of it.

But sooner og later, the release for TS3 will come.

Hugz and Cheers...

Funny, you guys act like they don't make money off this product. Just because it's free doesn't mean they don't make money.

Miscni

20-10-2009, 13:10

Funny, you guys act like they don't make money off this product. Just because it's free doesn't mean they don't make money.

We all know that TS makes money on their product, but people just have to understand, that it doesn't help to post one after another, with people that can't wait for the release.

It is sad to see, how people react, because of the release, is not out yet.

And my personal appenion is, that if people can't wait for the release, then stop bugging TS about it, and change to another system.

Cheers and Hugz

MassaReal

21-10-2009, 15:33

I Agree

But sad to say, Teamspeak is kind like Candy, when people have got, the taste for it, they just want more, and it is sad to see, how people can react, because of it.

But sooner og later, the release for TS3 will come.

Hugz and Cheers...[/QUOTE]

> Sadly enough we didn't had ANY taste yet, just some pictures and that has been lasting for ages. Beta should been released already ages ago, since the did implement it into America's Army 3.

Most of the communitie i interact with are changin to ventrilo.
Beside personal taste of some admin/iusers it has way beter speech codex.

XainGM

21-10-2009, 20:14

We all know that TS makes money on their product, but people just have to understand, that it doesn't help to post one after another, with people that can't wait for the release.

It is sad to see, how people react, because of the release, is not out yet.

And my personal appenion is, that if people can't wait for the release, then stop bugging TS about it, and change to another system.

Cheers and Hugz

I think the reason most people are in here is because of all the issues with security with TS2. And since well, the devs wont fix the problems, we all wait for TS3. Its now been in the making for what 6 years? So yea, for somone who has been paying an official host(for the last 8 years) to provide me with a TS that's outdated and easy to hack, I have a rite to start "bugging". And no, i'm not going to get ventrillo to only have the same kind of issues. Do you know how hard it is to manage 8 different Teamspeak servers and to get all the members to switch over... I'll just keep backing up the servers and users everyday till the end of time -or- when Ts3 is out (which ever comes first). To be honest, it's going to be hard enough orchestrating all the members to change over to Ts3 without tons of issues. Just because you play games doesn't mean you know how to install and setup software.

Whatever... You just better hope something awesome doesn't come out to replace TS before TS3 is out.

Miscni

22-10-2009, 00:27

I think the reason most people are in here is because of all the issues with security with TS2. And since well, the devs wont fix the problems, we all wait for TS3. Its now been in the making for what 6 years? So yea, for somone who has been paying an official host(for the last 8 years) to provide me with a TS that's outdated and easy to hack, I have a rite to start "bugging". And no, i'm not going to get ventrillo to only have the same kind of issues. Do you know how hard it is to manage 8 different Teamspeak servers and to get all the members to switch over... I'll just keep backing up the servers and users everyday till the end of time -or- when Ts3 is out (which ever comes first). To be honest, it's going to be hard enough orchestrating all the members to change over to Ts3 without tons of issues. Just because you play games doesn't mean you know how to install and setup software.

Whatever... You just better hope something awesome doesn't come out to replace TS before TS3 is out.

First of all, yeah I play games, but not that often.

Second. Yep, there are some security issus about TS2, got 1 of my servers hacked for a couple of weeks ago, but it doesn't really matter, because then I have something to do:)

Third of all. I work with people who has trouble with reading and writing, and for them, TS is a much better tool, then MSN or SKYPE, or VENT for that sake. And ofcourse they ask me, when TS3 is coming?, but they a very satisfied, with TS2 as it is right now.

So the main problem here is, that we all, and yes, i'm including myself to, that we are pointing fingers at eachother, why dont we just wait and see, what happens instead, because it really doesn't help, to have this irrelivant diskusion, when none of us, have any right to push TS faster with there work.

And if people can't wait for TS3, well that is tobad for them, and not us.

So what said is said, and done is done. Lets give it a rest, and wait.
Let bygones be bygones, and hope for the best.

Cheers all

XainGM

22-10-2009, 18:42

First of all, yeah I play games, but not that often.

Second. Yep, there are some security issus about TS2, got 1 of my servers hacked for a couple of weeks ago, but it doesn't really matter, because then I have something to do:)

Third of all. I work with people who has trouble with reading and writing, and for them, TS is a much better tool, then MSN or SKYPE, or VENT for that sake. And ofcourse they ask me, when TS3 is coming?, but they a very satisfied, with TS2 as it is right now.

So the main problem here is, that we all, and yes, i'm including myself to, that we are pointing fingers at eachother, why dont we just wait and see, what happens instead, because it really doesn't help, to have this irrelivant diskusion, when none of us, have any right to push TS faster with there work.

And if people can't wait for TS3, well that is tobad for them, and not us.

So what said is said, and done is done. Lets give it a rest, and wait.
Let bygones be bygones, and hope for the best.

Cheers all

How long you willing to wait before it starts irritating the hell out of you? 6+ years for me, you? I have seen more activity come from Ludwig by deleting these posts, than I have seen in Ts3 Content.