TS for the Mac

Revvin · #1 01-07-2002, 18:55

I know this has been talked of before but it seems that was quite some time ago, I wonder with the new release on the horizon are there any thoughts on a Mac version? online gamers particularly in iEN's 'Warbirds' and CRS's 'World War II Online' already use Teamspeak but they cannot chat with other Mac users as both these games run on PC and Mac. There's been a real shortage of app's to combine both platforms in one app since Gamespy bought Roger wilco, seems there's a niche there that nobody wants.

T. Boonstra · #2 01-07-2002, 19:00

I'm afriad TS won't be available for the Mac. The codecs TS uses aren't available for the Mac and it would also require a complete rewrite of TS for it to run on a Mac.

Revvin · #3 01-07-2002, 22:24

Well I'm a PC user so it's not a problem, just wondered what the team's thoughts were thanks for the quick reply. I'm looking forward to the new release

ShawnLavin · #4 15-07-2002, 07:33

When this next version of Quicktime becomes available, the CELP codec will be part of the default Quicktime suite. This means that one significant barrier to making a Mac Client will go away.

I know that the program is in Delphi and would still require a re-write, but if the TeamSpeak team would publish the protocol I would love to take a crack at a Mac client.

Even better would be a port from source code, but I suspect that asking you to make the protocol available is perrhaps a bit more than you are comfortable with.

HytestA · #5 17-07-2002, 13:44

Im confused,

The TS team are making a Linux version so is it not possible that this can be used to create a version for Macintosh systems?

I dont blame the TS team saying no to a mac version if they mean the old OS8.x/OS9.x but with the new OSX being a Linux derivative whats to stop TS linux client being ported over?

Like Revvin said there is a market for a comms app on the Mac platform, at present i can count the available apps on one hand, erm.. none

With people like Mr Lavin even offering to do the dirty conversion work surely this must be something that could seriously be looked into

HytestA

R. Ludwig · #6 17-07-2002, 13:46

let us finish first windows ok ?
after that pinguin

after that we investigate this apple ....

HytestA · #7 17-07-2002, 14:08

thanks for the ultra fast reply

T. Boonstra · #8 17-07-2002, 14:25

Delphi has program which allows you to automaticly port Windows programs into Linux programs without too many changes..

There (as far as i know) isn't a program available that does the same for Macintosh... and the linux files you receive don't seem to work with the mac..

But as Ralf said, we'll look into it ones TS 2.0 been released, who knows

Solitaire · #9 17-07-2002, 19:03

... as a complete aside ...

Macintosh OSX is not a Linux derivative.

It is a combination of several older systems, starting with the Mach kernel (a microkernel, fundamentally different from Linux), and based off of the NeXT Operating System and FreeBSD.

These systems would complicate on several levels the porting of several of the components. (most notably the sound functionality, and the keybinding technology, two integral parts to TS I'm told)

... this coming from a systems guy, not a coder by any stretch of the imagination, and it could be completely off (on the coding parts -- not the roots of OSX) ... so take it for what it's worth.

.... and now back to our regularly scheduled bitching ...

(dammit -- you made me sound like a techie)

Stinkfist · #10 17-07-2002, 20:59

Quote:

Originally posted by HytestA
Im confused,
The TS team are making a Linux version so is it not possible that this can be used to create a version for Macintosh systems?

I dont blame the TS team saying no to a mac version if they mean the old OS8.x/OS9.x but with the new OSX being a Linux derivative whats to stop TS linux client being ported over?

Like Revvin said there is a market for a comms app on the Mac platform, at present i can count the available apps on one hand, erm.. none

With people like Mr Lavin even offering to do the dirty conversion work surely this must be something that could seriously be looked into

HytestA

1) OS-X is based on the mach microkernel and some NeXT Step stuff as well (I believe part of the macrokernel is NeXT). The userland is FreeBS 4.2. FreeBSD is Unix, an OS. Linux is a kernel

. (not a unix kernel though :P). Unix <> linux.

2) Delphi (OO Pascal Compiler), is only available on windows and on Linux (as Kylix).

3) FreeBSD supports something called "Linux Emulation" where it's pretty much the whole install of a base Red Hat 6.0/7.0 (both are in the ports collection) install. Using Linux Emulation it is possible to run nearly all linux apps on FreeBSD.

Now, the only thing missing out of that is a port (if it doesn't already exists, which it may) of the linux emulation code. I would assume most of the hooks are in there to make it work properly on OS X, and with that in mind, TeamSpeak should work on Mac's as well, with some minor tweaking, it may run flawlessly

.

sorry to repeat some things already mentioned, just wanted to respond to this fully.

So basically, if it's available, install Linux Emulation on your OSX machine, and viola! It wurks

.

I'll look around and see if linux emulation is available on OSX.

Stinkfist · #11 17-07-2002, 21:05

looking around, it seems that linux emulation would be possible, but it would have to be LinuxPPC, which in turn means that TeamSpeak would have to be able to run on LinuxPPC, which I don't think there is a kylix compiler out for it.

ShawnLavin · #12 18-07-2002, 06:45

The only way on the Mac is to really port the code from Delphi to some language available on the Mac (C/C++/Objective-C/Java).

Lots of work and not likely to happen unless someone outside the current group (with more interest in the Mac than the current group has, for good reason).

I really doubt that the development team is going to part with the source to alow a port by someone outside, especially before they release 2.0. What I was hoping for was perhaps a document which described the protocol which would allow me to reverse engineer.

Cstar_maxim · #13 18-07-2002, 09:12

just a quick question, please excuse my ignorance but if it might work using a Linux emulator will it also MAYBE work with a Windows emulator in a MAC using OS-X?

Just asking for interest sake.

Stinkfist · #14 18-07-2002, 14:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Cstar_maxim
just a quick question, please excuse my ignorance but if it might work using a Linux emulator will it also MAYBE work with a Windows emulator in a MAC using OS-X?

Just asking for interest sake.

if wine or a windows emulator exists for MAC, then I would assume yes.

Stinkfist · #15 18-07-2002, 15:01

Quote:

Originally posted by ShawnLavin
The only way on the Mac is to really port the code from Delphi to some language available on the Mac (C/C++/Objective-C/Java).

Lots of work and not likely to happen unless someone outside the current group (with more interest in the Mac than the current group has, for good reason).

I really doubt that the development team is going to part with the source to alow a port by someone outside, especially before they release 2.0. What I was hoping for was perhaps a document which described the protocol which would allow me to reverse engineer.

yes, they could at least document the protocol. How well do you know C/C++? I might have something for you to help on if you're wanting a TeamSpeak type system. We're in need of someone that can do MAC Stuff

. Email me. chancedj******.com, and I'll talk to you more about it. It wouldn't be right to talk about it on the TeamSpeak forums

.