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  1. #91
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    They are always working on something but they appear to have a very strict information disclosure policy and with such strong competition they probably don't want to give any hints.

    While understandable, it certainly doesn't help to (re-)build the community.

  2. #92
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    Well, it seems like third party developers are slowly taking over the Teamspeak protocol, 3rd-party software like TeaSpeak get released, Qint is already under development and some ass even made a UWP app and is making profit of it.

    If Teamspeak doesn't go after these people with lawyers that's the same as a silent acknowledgement that they're kinda giving up

    @Devs: Why is there a virtualserver_Min_Winphone_Version even tho theres no such thing on https://www.teamspeak.com/downloads.html and also this ?



    EDIT: Apparently discord's client is "lightweight" xD

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  3. #93
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    Well as I said before, ventrilo came out with a new update (vent 4) and we may switch to that as it develops and we don't like discord(yuck). I like the raw version codec that does not compress signal.

  4. #94
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    I doubt that many untrained people will notice a difference from 72 kb/s VBR Stereo Opus Music (the highest quality TeamSpeak codec) to raw. I don't know what type of raw ventrilo uses, but CD raw 44.1 kHz 16-bit means 1,411.2 kb/s, which is more than many people's internet connection can upload.

  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by fspower View Post
    True if you host your own server.

    Most likely not possible if you rent the server somewhere.

    YUP, but it is no so expensive toh.

  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlumpi View Post
    These days, you need to have this: A link that can be posted anywhere by anyone that, if clicked, does something invisible in background that makes the person who clicked the link connected to the Teamspeak server that was linked by that link. A zero-installation Teamspeak client that works seemlessly within the browser. This is state of the art, this is the kind of voip application that is expected by users.

    I know, there is something like client identity, authentication and so on, but you have to work out a system that works without any interaction by the user. Not one click for 95% of the users; the defaults must work. The user just wants to talk. He doesn't want to or is even unable to install and configure things. If you need to dumb down the server and the permission system on the server to support these kind of users: do it! For heaven' sake, do it! Implement what users want and support them up to their capabilities, and their capabilities with computer handling lessens each year with each new generation of computer users, so you need to dumb down and automate software more and more.

    If you can have a standalone installable client with more options, fine, but the default app these days must be zero-install and zero-configuration. It should just work without even one click of configuration, if the user set up his headset as default device or default communication device in Windows. Which is the default in Windows, if you plug in the headset.

    A modern voip workflow must be this:
    1. plug in headset
    2. click on link in website
    2.5 authenticate or connect as guest
    3. talk

    This is possible. I work in an enterprise that uses collaboration systems that work this way, so even guests can join immediately and seamlessly without any prerequisite on their client besides headset device and modern browser.
    This! This is the only possible future for TS, if it doesn't have this, there is no future.

  7. #97
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    holy shit do something

    Quote Originally Posted by Schlumpi View Post
    These days, you need to have this: A link that can be posted anywhere by anyone that, if clicked, does something invisible in background that makes the person who clicked the link connected to the Teamspeak server that was linked by that link. A zero-installation Teamspeak client that works seemlessly within the browser. This is state of the art, this is the kind of voip application that is expected by users.

    I know, there is something like client identity, authentication and so on, but you have to work out a system that works without any interaction by the user. Not one click for 95% of the users; the defaults must work. The user just wants to talk. He doesn't want to or is even unable to install and configure things. If you need to dumb down the server and the permission system on the server to support these kind of users: do it! For heaven' sake, do it! Implement what users want and support them up to their capabilities, and their capabilities with computer handling lessens each year with each new generation of computer users, so you need to dumb down and automate software more and more.

    If you can have a standalone installable client with more options, fine, but the default app these days must be zero-install and zero-configuration. It should just work without even one click of configuration, if the user set up his headset as default device or default communication device in Windows. Which is the default in Windows, if you plug in the headset.

    A modern voip workflow must be this:
    1. plug in headset
    2. click on link in website
    2.5 authenticate or connect as guest
    3. talk

    This is possible. I work in an enterprise that uses collaboration systems that work this way, so even guests can join immediately and seamlessly without any prerequisite on their client besides headset device and modern browser.
    holy shit do something

    learn something about free to play, ts3 can do the same:
    - free servers + publicity = money
    - premium option + rent server + low price = money

  8. #98
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    TeamSpeak Feedback

    I sent an email in to the addresses on the contact page on the main site yesterday. They recommended I post here for the developers to see my feedback as well. I don't feel like retyping everything again since it was relatively long, so I am just going to quote the whole thing in a block. (apologies it's fairly long and probably a little scattered.)

    I just wanted to write in saying that my friends and I have been using TS3
    for years now. I've always hosted my own server at home and it's always
    worked well for us over the years.

    Lately though, it's been harder to get new people to join us. The large
    majority of people we invite to join the server don't use Teamspeak. Either
    they never did, or have since moved on to Discord.

    It's really disappointing to see TS, having been around for decades, be
    unseated so quickly as the default voice chat system for the average gamer.
    Discord has only existed for a few years and has already blown past TS3,
    and it's not hard to see why.

    Personally, I really love being able to host my own TS server. I love
    having the granular control to choose various audio codecs and I love how
    lightweight the application is.

    Unfortunately, most people either don't care, or could live without those
    features since Discord offers tons and tons of other useful features. While
    I love being able to host myself, not everyone has the resources to do
    that, so it's easy to see that is a huge advantage for Discord (though is a
    big reason they haven't gotten my friends and I to move over yet). The UI
    for TS3 is "usable", it's very utilitarian and it works. It's really not
    pleasant to use though. Comparatively, Discord is actually quite lovely and
    very nice to interact with. I often have to walk people through things in
    TS like changing input/output settings because it's not very intuitive.

    I like that I can use skins for TS, and while skinning has gotten
    significantly better over the years, it's still more of a hassle than most
    people are going to put in, and the defaults are really pretty bad still.

    I love that TS3 is available for basically every platform. But in 2018 it's
    almost offensive that there's no web client. We often miss out on quality
    gaming time having to wait for people to download, install, configure,
    troubleshoot, reboot, etc just trying to get the application to join our
    chat. It would be awesome if they could just join in a browser tab right
    away and worry about installing and everything later if they want to.

    I was so excited when I first saw Overwolf was added to TS3. I try it out
    about once a year hoping it won't still be an awful experience and I'm
    disappointed every single time. It's very unintuitive, ugly, and I almost
    always have actual bugs and problems getting it to work at all. I still
    love the idea of a good overlay. I would love to be able to have an option
    to see who's talking pop up or be able to interact with and see the text
    chat as well, but I have never had a good experience with Overwolf. Maybe
    I'll try it again since it's been a while, but I expect I will be
    uninstalling it in under an hour again. I hope I'm wrong and that it's seen
    some significant improvement since I last tried it out.

    The text chat in TS3 kind of sucks. If all that was changed was that it
    actually saved the chat log on the server so that people who just logged in
    could see the conversation and the conversation could persist over time it
    would be a huge improvement, but really the chat system needs a pretty big
    overhaul to be good to use.

    The Android app for TS is really bad. It's almost to a point where I would
    consider it functional and it's been around for a long time now. There's
    been several occasions where I thought the app would save the day, but then
    it ends up being frustrating, buggy, and overall broken and just wastes
    time. It's gotten better, sure, but the UI still sucks and I still have
    audio issues and stuff and the chat integration is awful at best.


    I want to be wrong here. I love TS and I have for years. I really hope
    some big TS4 scale release is just around the corner with a major overhaul
    to pretty much everything, but I don't see it happening and that worries
    me. I find it hard to believe that unless something big changes that my
    friends and I will continue exclusively using TS3, if for no other reason
    than it's much easier for us to join people in Discord than it is for them
    to join us in TeamSpeak. I don't know how many people or how much money TS
    has, or what your priorities are (maybe you don't care or need to care
    about anything I've mentioned), but if you want to keep gamers around and
    using TS, which I hope is the case, then I highly recommend re-thinking
    some things and hiring some UI/UX designers.


    Thanks For Listening,
    Andrew
    Last edited by dante696; March 27th, 2018 at 09:53 PM. Reason: merged

  9. #99
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    Discord is crap why is it crap...because it is for FREE!! Do you really think so many people would use it if it would cost money...wake up guys...you can't compare services when one of them costs nothing.

    I bet if Discord says it will cost money from now on...all these kiddys will leave immediatly...

  10. #100
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    It's not free. Every user pays with their big data

  11. #101
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    Microsoft partners with Discord to link Xbox Live profiles ..........

  12. #102
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    I'm officially leaving TeamSpeak to Discord. I love TeamSpeak but tht devs team seem don't care about users requests, i really don't like Discord, but my whole team and new players want to go on it so we do.

    I really hope to see TeamSpeak become better and provide an improved solution, event if it seem too late.

  13. #103
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    I've been using teamspeak now for so long and I can openly say I absolutely hate discord, it's nothing like Teamspeak, it's a Skype replacement, something which I don't use either...

    Join a channel and mute everything within it because of its annoying AF. this is not what I want in a chat client.
    Last edited by Chris; April 28th, 2018 at 04:24 PM. Reason: split

  14. #104
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    me to i hate Discord why? thats easy look here https://discordapp.com/privacy

    Data We Collect Automatically: When you interact with us through the Services, we receive and store certain information such as an IP address, device ID, and your activities within the Services.
    IP ok thats normal in the WorldWideWeb, device ID not, and this activities,thats mean anything what you do like: all pics, what you speak, any text, ...
    and many other in the privacy whats not so nice.

    Discord looks for me as an NSA Programm/Application/App/tool what ever


    for the Future of Teamspeak they needs an redesigned GUI/UI, eventually an Channel Redesign and definitely an Chat redesign.
    its nice that TS3 use QT5 Framework but eventually using QTQuick/QML (QT5-quickcontrols2 thats the right name of the pack http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qmlapplications.html )for a nice future Design like the "KDE Plasma 5 Desktop Syle"?

  15. #105
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    I hope the developers read this whole thread

    I have read some posts here now and would like to write my opinion here.
    I doubt that the developers are not interested, but maybe there are some who can agree with me.
    Yes ... we Germans are a bit stubborn when we have an idea

    I've been using TeamSpeak for years now. At that time(TM) still with TS2 ...
    Why?
    TeamSpeak is running! That's why!
    I host a server on my own vServer or root server for a few Euros a month for years.
    There have never been big problems. The server always runs great.
    That there are no live upgrades is silly, but it blocks the technology as that's what the developer wants.
    I must say, I really like this quality made in Germany!

    The client itself always works well to very well.
    It needs hardly any resources, has a lean structure and delivers everything you need - even if it is hidden.
    The server can also be easily administered via the client.

    But what is missing?
    - A UI with a new and clear design
    - Same UI on all devices (PC / Smartphones / Tablets)
    - A simplified control of the server (e.g. with a good old web interface)
    - A reasonable licensing (No 32 slots - 1 server for private use. I do not like that)
    - Extensions such as video calls (e.g. a video call channel for multicam)
    - Better integration into other devices (e.g. consoles, browsers or smart home devices such as Alexa)
    - Free Apps (Ok perhaps the store costs must be covered by the fees, but with Android there is e.g. F-Droid)
    - Integrations in different games (you start a game and are automatically moved to a suitable channel / connected to server if you want. I know there are plugins for it, but they don't always work reliably.)
    - Improved encryption to keep NSA out
    - A better way to banish unwanted people for life (local TS-ID and IP are not enough nowadays)

    Optional: A possibility to create redundant TS servers (host one in America and the other in Germany. You connect to the one who is best connected to you, but you can talk to all users on both.

    I don't want to use Discord, Mumble or Ventrilo.
    TeamSpeak works and I would like to continue using it.
    Unfortunately, more and more people are urging me to switch to Discord.
    But I don't want to "sell" my data to them. I hate that kind of thing.
    In addition, TeamSpeak has the generally best quality in the overall package for me.

    I hope that the developers will soon step on the gas and finally do something. Otherwise, more and more people run away.

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