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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScP View Post
    Why does every VoIP app look like a clone of Slack these days?

    The slack design you see today is because the slack team was going to make a new revolution in voip for gamers, but then decided to do team project/management app, discord copied them and curse copied discord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScP View Post
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    Thanks, I like your neutral view about Discord vs TeamSpeak.

    And yes, I like TeamSpeak very much use it since beginning TeamSpeak 2 and i love TeamSpeak 3 with plugins, fileshare and API.

    But, yes, really, why do Hosters have to pay at least $ 120 if a certain point is not reached? But as a Hoster against NPL and AAL fight is hard.


    Quote Originally Posted by Randinator View Post
    Run teamspeak in a 5 dollar or euro vps all you need is minimum 512MB-1GB ram and you can have 200+ people on the server at once.

    Also I think you mean Annual Activation License (AAL) not NPL. I agree, AAL pricing is very high and not very competitive.
    Thanks also for your answer!

    I mean the price of the ATHP, not AAL or NPL (free). Yes you could take a VPS but that is in my (our) eyes not correct, we only take real Dedicated hardware no vServer, VPS or cloud server. In short, we do not want our customers to run on cheap hardware.



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    As for your picture, you can find the same on Curse homepage (with them being best).
    This normal, all companies will say their product is the best, just to sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Server07 View Post
    I mean the price of the ATHP, not AAL or NPL (free). Yes you could take a VPS but that is in my (our) eyes not correct, we only take real Dedicated hardware no vServer, VPS or cloud server. In short, we do not want our customers to run on cheap hardware.
    Why? I could also buy a GeForce 1080 only to play Minesweeper, that wouldn't make sense either.
    I currently rent - among others - a small KVM VPS with a dedicated CPU core, 2 GiB of RAM (for PHP), SSD storage and a very good routing for 3 euros a month. And I don't see any reason why I should rent a better server.
    Though I do think that increasing the minimum monthly fee to 120 dollars after a year is stupid. 24 dollars should be enough.

    For the image, I think TeamSpeak has automatic failover since 3.0.20. For those images, companies take base features and adds all features only their product offers. As ScP described, there are some features that make TeamSpeak unique:
    - File transfer only limŪted by disk space
    - Sub-channels and spacers
    - Customizable client
    - Multiple servers
    One can add
    - Query
    - Bots
    - Fully decentral, no company that cares about your server and data (only verifyable for AAL and no license)

    Currently, Discord is funded by investments. They will need to make more money than they currently can with Nitro. Not because running such a service is any expensive (it's absolutely not!), but because all those investors want their money not only back but also want to see significant revenue.
    Also read this.

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    One thing bothers me that discord promotes is double meaning marketing for example, there "DDOS" protection is a lie, they provide no ddos protection, but hide your ip so you (twitch streamer) doesn't get ddos'd while making a stream. Because apparently teamspeak shows your ip to everyone.....

    I've made several posts about discord on this thread just look back, I exclusively used them for around 6 months.

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    They do say that TeamSpeak hides your IP.
    So yeah, I don't know what their DDoS protection even is. Does it protect the user (there is nothing more to it could do beside hiding one's IP) or the server (but why is it in the same line as the IP thingy)? Any application that requires communication of users with exactly that machine is somewhat susceptible to DDoS, so I doubt their DDoS protection works. I thought that in one thread, people did say that Discord had its DDoS-related downtimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numma_cway View Post
    So yeah, I don't know what their DDoS protection even is. Does it protect the user (there is nothing more to it could do beside hiding one's IP) or the server (but why is it in the same line as the IP thingy)
    Before they didn't say TeamSpeak hides your IP is what I meant. Besides that marketing.. marketing to illiterate internet users. The only reason they say "ddos protection" is I think because streams used Skype before and it revealed your IP easily and then users would ddos the streamer and take them down.

    They offer 0 ddos protection, nothing at all, because I still have a friend who uses discord and they kept going down depending on how large the attack was, this was a couple of months ago. Even small ones hinder them with some people not being able to connect etc..

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    We're providing an open-source Netfilter module to help fight certain types of (D)DoS attacks for some time now:

    https://github.com/TeamSpeak-Systems...tfilter_module

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    I have been a TS user, admin and host of a community server for many years now. We almost lost a portion of our community to Discord. They were all like, use discord, it's free! My repsonse was TS is free for you as well! Since I cover all of the costs there is no out of pocket, I have never asked for a donation and our server quality and uptime is unbeatable.

    The biggest argument that actually made sense was the mobile app. Discord is free, TS's mobile app is not. The mobile app needs to be free. Or there needs to be a free version. I'm Ok with adds for those that opt for the free version. I paid for the full version. I was part of the Beta test process and was saddened when I found out the app wouldn't be free. not because of the price, but I knew this would hurt TS in the long run. Hardly any of my users use the mobile app. Make it free and I bet at least 50% or more woudl use it.

    For some, they simply can't justify spending a few dollars to do something that is free on another app.

    As for My thoughts on Discord:
    The interface is too simplistic
    Permissions are not granular enough
    Inefficient desktop app.
    Privacy concerns.
    Can't host my own server on my hardware.
    Owner/creator is not trust-worthy

    Pros:
    Free app.

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    The following is in reference to the non-business related community (gaming, hobbies, etc.) demographic of TeamSpeak customers.

    In the current age of technology Teamspeak is fighting a losing battle for some of the following reasons:
    Price:
    After running a Teamspeak server for over 3+ years on the 32 slot limitation, I have always longed for increasing the slot count. The Teamspeak I run is in fact Non-profit, but it does not adhere to the absurd Non-profit rules outlined by Teamspeak. Instead of dealing with the non-sense Non-profit rules I looked at the Annual Activation License pricing. To double my slots to 64 would cost $55 annually, nearly as costly as my annual server bill. I personally canít justify that annual price increase for a community ran server, for only a 32 slot increase.

    From a client perspective it goes without saying that the teamspeak mobile app should be free. Anything north of $0 is noncompetitive.
    I have people begging me to move the community to Discord on a weekly basis, and there are times I am inclined to do so.

    Management:
    I am a software developer with past experience in network administration and a degree in Information Technology. Managing a Teamspeak server and VPS has proven to be even a hassle to me at times. There is something profound to be said about the ease of creating a new discord. You donít need to follow a tutorial, you donít need to launch a linux vps with a DDos filtering system, you donít need back up IP addresses, a complicated permission system, a server upgrade process, manage a server on some bogus teamspeak certified host, or even host a server yourself. It just works. Especially in this day and age, everyone is looking for instant gratification, and Discord is able to get you there more rapidly.

    Teamspeak still works in my opinion (at least for me) because of the following:
    Teamspeak support and releases have been pretty rock solid. From a server perspective, there is rarely a case where I need to update rapidly, or that there is a huge mission critical security issue. From a client perspective, if there is an issue it is usually updated rapidly. Most of all, the quality of audio on Teamspeak is superior to that of Discord still. That being said, if any of the above falls short teamspeak as I stated earlier ďis fighting a losing battleĒ. People will continue to migrate to discord, with little reason to come back. As discord and other vendors fill in the voids that keep us on TeamSpeak, customerís/server owners will continue to migrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfront1 View Post
    After running a Teamspeak server for over 3+ years on the 32 slot limitation, I have always longed for increasing the slot count. The Teamspeak I run is in fact Non-profit, but it does not adhere to the absurd Non-profit rules outlined by Teamspeak. Instead of dealing with the non-sense Non-profit rules I looked at the Annual Activation License pricing. To double my slots to 64 would cost $55 annually, nearly as costly as my annual server bill. I personally canít justify that annual price increase for a community ran server, for only a 32 slot increase.
    I think this is a main problem too. The NPL requirements are ridiculous. If you have that "community" as posed by the rules you will probably have no problem at all running a TS-Server too. After all a domain and web and mailserver cost money too, an AAL is nothing out of reach.

    Best way would be to reduce the NPL slots (to like 128?) but also reduce the NPL requirements. At least an own domain should be available.
    Then the free server should increase to say 50 slots (or 48 if you like "smooth" numbers). Which should be sufficient.

    After all I don't know if query clients count as normal clients. I have 26 queries right now, the total amount of clients is 55, but reduce that by 26 it's 29 voice clients. And only those should count as clients per the slot limit.

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    Dafuq does one do with 26 query clients? Spying on every channel's channel chat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fspower View Post
    After all I don't know if query clients count as normal clients. I have 26 queries right now, the total amount of clients is 55, but reduce that by 26 it's 29 voice clients. And only those should count as clients per the slot limit.
    And they do. Query clients are counted as online user, but not to the slot limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numma_cway View Post
    Dafuq does one do with 26 query clients? Spying on every channel's channel chat?
    https://github.com/Inouju/mambo

    Multiple channels are supported. Each channel then gets it's own client.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dimos View Post
    And they do. Query clients are counted as online user, but not to the slot limit.
    Good to know, thanks.
    Last edited by fspower; March 12th, 2017 at 11:57 AM.

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    One thing TeamSpeak has and discorf doesn't, is the customization.
    For TeamSpeak you have Addons/Plugins, Sound packs, Themes/icon packs and stuff.
    You can customize your whole TS client, and thats why I love it.

    And TS is a well made software, and Discord can never be used for for example Companies, Education etc. because of its lack of structure and security.

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