Benefits over Discord compared to TeamSpeak

[Martyn]

Trying to find a good reason not to go over to discord?....

I've used teamspeak for years, an to me its the best, but users keep suggesting we go over to it...

Haven't found anything on TS site or forums?

[Schlumpi]

Discord makes some bold promises on their website. Whether they are able to not only promise but also able to deliver, I don't know. I didn't test their software yet. If they are able to deliver, it is probably the next generation of voip software for gamers, because with Discord there is no need to operate or rent your own server hosting. It's all for free. You just create your (virtual) server according to their website advertising and that's it. The actual server hosting is done by Discord themselves for free.

It's probably still some years away for more than experimental use, since it takes years to get a software to mature like Teamspeak has matured and improved in stability and usability.

If they are able to deliver what they promise in the end, and if the use of the free client and free server hosting has at least as much features as Teamspeak, it's probably the end of the widespread use of Teamspeak. If, on the other hand, the free usage of Discord is somewhat crippled and limited compared to paid use, then Teamspeak will continue to be used.

This way or the other, it is a blessing for us users, because a competition to Teamspeak comes up, and competition means technological advancement. Until now, there is no real competition for Teamspeak, so the technological features of Teamspeak stagnate since long ago.

[eViLsTieFel]

Well it's definitely not there yet, anyway. No sub-channels, slow connection times (for me anyway).

I'd also not feel comfortable trusting them with my whole communiites communication. That's one of the benefits of Teamspeak, because unlike what Schlumpi said, that's exactly what I like about Teamspeak: being able to run your own services.

But it's all purely speculative anyway for now. The players will decide.

[Alcazar]

@Schlumpi: There is actually "competition" like Ventrilo and Mumble - its a matter on how you define it
Also Shockvoice would be something nice, if the devs ever wake up and finish the product.

because with Discord there is no need to operate or rent your own server hosting. It's all for free. You just create your (virtual) server according to their website advertising and that's it. The actual server hosting is done by Discord themselves for free.

Isnt this "RaidCall" thing similar?

Also, if Discord stays free is speculative. Maybe they just try to get an userbase and then charge for it.
They claim "the core functionality" will remain free - but who defines what "core function" means?
(Sounds a bit like those Pay2Win BrowserGames)

@Dante: Sorry for mentioning foreign/competetive products
If its not allowed please edit/remove post.
Thanks.

[Translucent]

Discord seems to lag more often than not for me and other players, the quality of audio is better on Teamspeak than it is on Discord.

[numma_cway]

I think competition would be good – if TeamSpeak decides to accept that challenge (because of the big amount of money they made so far, I doubt they do). It's sad that there is basically no competition to YaTQA either.

Also, if Discord stays free is speculative. Maybe they just try to get an userbase and then charge for it.
They claim "the core functionality" will remain free - but who defines what "core function" means?
(Sounds a bit like those Pay2Win BrowserGames)

They once said decorative features will be paid. Not sure if that will earn them enough money, though.
Actually, noone ever asked me to use Discord. Everyone is using TeamSpeak.

[Belaial]

First post ever so I will begin with a HELLO!

First of I personally find Teamspeak to be the best alternative out there right now. I have never tried Discord and hope I never have to. There are other options out there that I have tried but they are not quite there yet. These are all alternatives I have setup and hosted myself, I am not interested in relying on other companies to host or handle my data.

I have no issues whatsoever running Teamspeak, I have been running my personal server for friends many years now and never ran into any problems that I could not solve with Google or these forums.

The one and only issue I have are the 32 slots I am limited to on a server with no license. I know of NPL yes, but the requirements for NPL are just to much hassle for me as a private person to even start caring about, putting up a homepage / forum and also "forcing" my friends to use it (since you need a active community for NPL) just to keep Teamspeak running is nothing I will waste time on. And since NPL is the only free way of getting more slots I see no other solution than looking on the alternatives now and then to see if they are getting better than Teamspeak. I mention free since there are free options out there I could use instead, I just hope it does not have to come to that. I am not craving things to be free, but since this is something I host and handle on my spare time asking nothing in return from my users I won't throw loads of cash on it, like I said in that case there are alternatives I could resort to.

I too hope Teamspeak will be the future of voice communication but for that to happen I really think where they should start looking, is over their licensing alternatives. Functionality wise they are already the best alternative, at least for me and the small community of friends I play with. I can't even mention one thing I think they could improve right now, everything just works! And that's great!

As a suggestion with all my "ranting" a "NPL Light license" maybe could be an alternative? Where a static IP could be enough, skipping the website / community part. Say 256 or 128 slots?

Or a one time purchasable license instead of the AAL, X amount of slots for X amounts of dollars one time fee.

Anywho, these are my thoughts on the current situation where voice communication for gaming is seeing a increase in alternatives out there. Best of luck to Teamspeak and keep up the good work!

[numma_cway]

I already suggested that, but people didn't respond to it.
I think they do that because they don't want the same person to get multiple licenses. One person will be unable to manage a lot of clans.
I don't have a gaming community and no website with community activity, so if there was this restriction right from the start, there would be no YaTQA today.

[Alcazar]

The one and only issue I have are the 32 slots I am limited to on a server with no license. I know of NPL yes, but the requirements for NPL are just to much hassle for me as a private person to even start caring about, putting up a homepage / forum and also "forcing" my friends to use it (since you need a active community for NPL) just to keep Teamspeak running is nothing I will waste time on.

As numma_cway said, there had been numerous issues in the past regarding NPL so Teamspeak Systems decided to change the requirements and license.
On the other side (which many forget), they are not obliged to give out even the unlicensed 32-Slots standard server, Teamspeak Systems is a company, not the wellfare.

[Belaial]

As numma_cway said, there had been numerous issues in the past regarding NPL so Teamspeak Systems decided to change the requirements and license.
On the other side (which many forget), they are not obliged to give out even the unlicensed 32-Slots standard server, Teamspeak Systems is a company, not the wellfare.

I have read many threads about license complaints that usually gets no reply or attention, unfortunately, that is why I never even bothered to register before this discussion appeared.

I just took the opportunity to put my point of view in the discussion why Teamspeak is better / worse than other alternatives out there.

I have no hopes unfortunately that my suggestions even gets noticed by the people who have the power to change things regarding licenses but I at least tried to raise my voice once on these forums to say what I think. Other than that I think the only chance we users might have of getting different licensing options is that some other player on the market gets "too big" and that might result in a revamped licensing system, "to stay in the game" so to speak.

But you never know, this time instead of sitting quiet without registering I took the chance to speak up, maybe even more people will

Like I said before, I don't crave free, I am more than willing to pay. I am however NOT interested in AAL license since I don't make any money on my server, nor do I want to and I will never try to make money on it, I am just happy to host and provide a voice communication solution of good quality to my friends since I find it interesting to do so on my spare time. A one time fee for a license is fine (at the right price) but paying annually is nothing I am interested in. Since that is the case now I can only try and influence the way licenses are handled currently.

So far the 32 slots I have access to have been enough, but there are days where 31 users have been online, so now I took the chance to try and change things for the better, maybe before I have to see the message that my server is full

I know they don't even have to give out 32-slots, they could even stop doing so if they want to, as previously stated, I am willing to pay I just don't support the current price / alternatives, so I am just putting my thoughts out there for others to take part of in hopes of change in the future.

[iNickb21]

Give me some good reasons not to switch to discord. I have run my community on teamspeak for over 3 years and it peaks up to 60 people on weekends. Recently some of my community members have started using Discord and they are trying to convince me to stop using teamspeak all together. What are some significant advantages of teamspeak over Discord so I can have a counter argument besides the fact that I just don't want to?

[NoxInc]

Give me some good reasons not to switch to discord. I have run my community on teamspeak for over 3 years and it peaks up to 60 people on weekends. Recently some of my community members have started using Discord and they are trying to convince me to stop using teamspeak all together. What are some significant advantages of teamspeak over Discord so I can have a counter argument besides the fact that I just don't want to?

According to SnowDapples who posted the following on: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...scord_for_our/

[–]SnowDapples 51 Punkte vor 5 Monate

This sentence here sounds pretty hardcore to me:

By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Data with the Services, you grant to us a nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use Your Data, subject to the Company’s Privacy Policy.

This means: You lose any right you had on your data. Discord can sell your data to anyone. And the best thing: You cant do anything about it.

And ^this is the reason why we should avoid Discord at all cost.
Imagine this: You just wrote a paper you wish to publish a paper but you gave it to your buddy to check for any errors. You've sent the paper via Discord. Discord now sells a license to [Enter name] and [Enter same name] decides to publish it for 4.99$ while yours is 9.99$. You even won't get a penny from that company discord sold it to.

Same with a picture you made, text you wrote, words you spoke.

Most users give 0 f**** about their rights though. Like WhatsThat, FakeHook and other huge companies that are "free" but make money with selling your data.

[Schlumpi]

The server is indeed the biggest issue with Teamspeak. Look at this forum and see all the clueless posts by people who try to set up their own server: they all fail badly. Not because the software is bad, it's because the people think it's easy to host the server, but it isn't. Installing the software and port forward is the tiniest part of this endeavour, but they don't know it. Most of them will never know it.

Discord is taking the best way by completely hosting the server side themselves. No more broken server installations that turn the users away. The Discord company are developers of the software and service provider at the same time. The users simply want to communicate. They don't want to install software, especially a server, they simply want to talk. The less software installation, the better. Discord does provide this (or tries to provide this, I don't know how easy it actually is to use their software and get together into a private voice chatroom with friends and talk).

[numma_cway]

According to SnowDapples who posted the following on: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...scord_for_our/



This means: You lose any right you had on your data. Discord can sell your data to anyone. And the best thing: You cant do anything about it.

And ^this is the reason why we should avoid Discord at all cost.
Imagine this: You just wrote a paper you wish to publish a paper but you gave it to your buddy to check for any errors. You've sent the paper via Discord. Discord now sells a license to [Enter name] and [Enter same name] decides to publish it for 4.99$ while yours is 9.99$. You even won't get a penny from that company discord sold it to.

Same with a picture you made, text you wrote, words you spoke.

One should note that these lines can be found in many centralized communication system's ToS.

[Llamalord]

I posed on this thread and looks like someone delete my post